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[OT] master/slave debate in Python


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:48 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, Chris, what have *you personally* done about real slavery where it
> > still happens?
> >
> > If, as I'm guessing, the answer is "nothing" then it seems to me that
> > you don't have much of a leg to stand on to level this accusation.
>
> Am I demanding that the terminology be changed? No? Then I don't think
> the accusation applies.

You're objecting to people trying to do *something* positive on the
grounds that they're not doing *more* while you yourself are doing
*nothing*. That's pretty hypocritical.

> > Imagine if the terminology were instead "dominant / submissive".
> > Without meaning to assume too much, might the cultural context
> > surrounding those terms make you feel uncomfortable when using them?
> > Would you desire for something else to be used in their place? Well,
> > there are plenty of people who feel exactly that way about "master /
> > slave".
>
> I wouldn't care.

Then why not just use those terms instead?

> > Here's the reality: the change may be difficult for some while it's
> > happening, because people don't like being told that the way they're
> > accustomed to doing something is harmful. But a few years from now,
> > after everything has settled, nobody will be looking back at this and
> > saying "oh, I wish we still used master/slave in the documentation.
> > Primary/replica (or whatever else replaces it) just doesn't sound as
> > good."
> >
> > Honestly, it's absurd that this is even a debate. Let's just make the
> > change and get it over with.
>
> And what happens when "replica" becomes pejorative? Do we change words again?

I think it's pretty obvious why "slave" has a negative connotation.
Why on Earth would "replica" ever become pejorative?

I suppose in that case we would curse Philip K. Dick and start over again.