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On 09/06/2018 07:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:06:22 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> On 09/06/2018 12:42 PM, Reto Brunner wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think the link, which is attached to every email you
>>> receive from the list, is for? Listinfo sounds very promising, doesn't
>>> it?
>>>
>>> And if you actually go to it you'll find: "To unsubscribe from
>>> Python-list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription
>>> options enter your subscription email address"
>>>
>>> So how about you try that?
>>
>> Reto,  your response is inappropriate.  If you can't be kind and/or
>> respectful, let someone else respond.
>
> No it wasn't inappropriate, and your attack on Reto is uncalled for.

It was inappropriate, and I wasn't attacking Reto.

> Reto's answer was kind and infinitely more respectful than your
> unnecessary criticism. As far as I can tell, this is Reto's first post
> here. After your hostile and unwelcoming response, I wouldn't be
> surprised if it was his last.
>
> His answer was both helpful and an *amazingly* restrained and kind
> response to a stupid question[1] asked by somebody claiming to be an
> professional software engineer. It was not condescending or mean-
> spirited, as you said in another post, nor was it snarky.

Wow.  I suddenly feel like I'm running for political office to get hit 
with such a distortion of facts.

> But even had the OP been a total beginner to computing, it was still a
> helpful response containing the information needed to solve their
> immediate problem (how to unsubscribe from the list) with just the
> *tiniest* (and appropriate) hint of reproach to encourage them to learn
> how to solve their own problems for themselves so that in future, they
> will be a better contributor to whatever discussion forums they might
> find themselves on.

Yes, there was some helpful content.  That doesn't excuse the manner of 
delivery.

> Ethan, you are a great contributor on many of the Python mailing lists,
> but your tone-policing is inappropriate, and your CoC banning of Rick and
> Bart back in July was an excessive and uncalled for misuse of moderator
> power.

Mailing lists consists of two things: content and tone, and both are 
equally important.  I volunteered to be a moderator for Python List as 
it felt to me like the existing moderators were overwhelmed by the sheer 
volume of this list, and a few bad actors were making this venue an 
unpleasant place to be.

> To my shame, I didn't say anything at the time, but I won't be
> intimidated any longer by fear of the CoC and accusations of incivility.
> I'm speaking up now because your reply to Reto is unwelcoming, unhelpful
> and disrespectful, and coming from a moderator who has been known to ban
> people, that makes it even more hostile.

Actually, you did say something at the time: 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list

What I find most interesting in this post, though, is your declaration 
"I won't be intimidated any longer by fear of the CoC" -- it doesn't 
strike me as a scary document; it basically says, "be nice".

> [1] Yes, there are such things as stupid questions. If your doctor asked
> you "remind me again, which end of the needle goes into your arm?" what
> would you do?

I would laugh, because he would be joking.

--
~Ethan~