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[Python-Dev] PEP 594: Removing dead batteries from the standard library

IMHO we should simply acknowledge this fact by mentioning it in the
PEP. We are aware that "pip install" is not always a valid option, but
we decided anyway to deprecate/remove modules because <...>.


Le mar. 21 mai 2019 ? 15:29, Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> On Tue, 21 May 2019 at 14:03, Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info> wrote:
> > I know that saying anything against pip and virtual environments is
> > heresy, but honestly, "just install it from PyPI" is not friendly to
> > beginners or those who just want something that works without a load of
> > extra complexity.
> Speaking as a pip developer, I 100% support this comment. For a major
> segment of Python's user base, if something isn't in the stdlib (or
> their preferred distribution - Anaconda or a Linux distro, for
> example) then it's a significant step upward in complexity.
> Having said this, I'm not as sure I agree with the rest of Steven's
> posting. I think that in general, this PEP is sensible and strikes a
> good balance. It's all very well saying "the Python core devs aren't
> willing to support these libraries any more" - but being quite that
> blunt invites a backlash. The PEP demonstrates that we're doing due
> dilligence over the process, and even if some people disagree with the
> decisions made, the arguments have been made in public. "You can get
> equivalents off PyPI" is only a very minor part of the argument here,
> the main thrust being "... and in general we don't think many people
> need to". It's a judgement call, and it needs review, but "rarely
> used" captures the sense well enough (given that we want a short
> phrase, not an explanatory paragraph...)
> Regarding the title, It strikes me as fine, it's a slightly light
> hearted play on the "batteries included" idea, and even if the
> batteries in question aren't entirely dead, they are definitely pinin'
> for the fjords. Discussions like this need a bit of levity to keep us
> all grounded, IMO.
> Paul
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