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[Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?


I have no opinion about scrapping IDLE and Tkinter, but if we don't, I
think his concerns deserve addressing instead of being dismissed by
wielding the CoC magic wand.

Regards

Antoine.


Le 02/05/2018 ? 23:41, Guido van Rossum a ?crit?:
> So what do *you* think. Do you agree with the OP that Tkinter (and hence
> IDLE) should be scrapped?
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net
> <mailto:solipsis at pitrou.net>> wrote:
> 
>     On Wed, 2 May 2018 23:28:22 +0200
>     Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net <mailto:solipsis at pitrou.net>> wrote:
>     > On Wed, 02 May 2018 21:24:07 +0000
>     > Brian Curtin <brian at python.org <mailto:brian at python.org>> wrote:
>     > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 16:55 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev <
>     > > python-dev at python.org <mailto:python-dev at python.org>> wrote:
>     > >? ?
>     > > > As https://bugs.python.org/issue33257
>     <https://bugs.python.org/issue33257> and
>     > > > https://bugs.python.org/issue33316
>     <https://bugs.python.org/issue33316> showed, Tkinter is broken, for both
>     > > > Py2 and Py3, with both threaded and non-threaded Tcl, since 2002 at
>     > > > least, and no-one gives a damn.
>     > > >
>     > > > This seems to be a testament that very few people are actually
>     > > > interested in or are using it.
>     > > >
>     > > > If that's so, there's no use keeping it in the standard library -- if
>     > > > anything, because there's not enough incentive and/or resources to
>     > > > support it. And to avoid screwing people (=me) up when they have the
>     > > > foolishness to think they can rely on it in their projects -- nowhere in
>     > > > the docs it is said that the module is only partly functional.? ? 
>     > > 
>     > > 
>     > > For the future, this is not how you communicate with the development
>     > > mailing list of any open source software project. I would suggest reading
>     > > https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
>     <https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/> for some pointers on how
>     people
>     > > typically behave around here in particular.? 
>     > 
>     > Perhaps it would be more constructive to address the OP's point than to
>     > play speech police.
> 
>     To elaborate a bit: the OP, while angry, produced both a detailed
>     analysis *and* a PR.? It's normal to be angry when an advertised
>     feature doesn't work and it makes you lose hours of work (or, even,
>     forces you to a wholesale redesign). Producing a detailed analysis and a
>     PR is more than most people will ever do.
> 
>     Regards
> 
>     Antoine.
> 
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