[Python-Dev] Examples for PEP 572
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka at gmail.com> wrote:
> 04.07.18 00:51, Chris Angelico ????:
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka at gmail.com>
>>> I believe most Python users are not
>>> professional programmers -- they are sysadmins, scientists, hobbyists and
>>> kids --
>> 
> I don't understand what citation do you need.
Anything at all that suggests that "most Python users are not
professional programmers". Anything beyond just a hunch of yours.
>>> In particularly mutating and
>>> non-mutating operations are separated. The assignment expression breaks
>> 
> In Python the assignment (including the augmented assignment) is a
> statement, del is a statement, function and class declarations are
> statements, import is a statement. Mutating methods like list.sort() and
> dict.update() return None to discourage using them in expressions. This a
> common knowledge, I don't know who's citation you need.
"Assignment is a statement" -- that's exactly the point under discussion.
"del is a statement" -- yes, granted
"function and class declarations are statements" -- class, yes, but
you have "def" and "lambda" as statement and expression equivalents.
"import is a statement" -- but importlib.import_module exists for a reason
So you have two statements (del and class), one statement with a
function form (import), and one statement with an expression form
I'm going to assume that your term "mutating" there was simply a
miswording, and that you're actually talking about *name binding*,
which hitherto occurs only in statements. Yes, this is true. And it's
the exact point under discussion - that restricting name bindings to
statements is unnecessary.