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[tc] [ironic] Promoting ironic to a top-level opendev project?


On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 14:07 +0100, Sean Mooney wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 07:29 -0500, Sean McGinnis wrote:
> > On 4/15/20 6:47 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > > On 2020-04-15 15:46:04 -0700 (-0700), Julia Kreger wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > People care because they are invested in the community as a whole,
> > > > and I think the thought of such a major change does bring fear. I
> > > > think that is totally natural and honestly I feel the same way.
> > > > Also at the same time, I think we risk letting the fear control
> > > > us. Thus prohibits us and prevents us from what may be the right
> > > > direction. In part, that is also why we need to talk through these
> > > > things. :)
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > In my case, I just want to make sure folks are approaching these
> > > sorts of decisions by first identifying problems and only *then*
> > > moving to discussing solutions. Otherwise there's a risk that a lot
> > > of effort and resources are wasted on work which doesn't solve
> > > whatever needs solving. Hear each of the arguments (for and against)
> > > with a critical ear, and ask whether they're good solutions for the
> > > problems you've identified.
> > > 
> > > Above all, try to avoid the trap of using problems to justify a
> > > solution which has already been chosen for other reasons. When the
> > > discussion starts out as a proposal for some particular solution,
> > > that's how it tends to come across.
> > 
> > We also have other projects that can and are used standalone. Cinder has
> > been enabled for that for years, but I'm pretty sure there are others.
> 
> well swift comes to mind im pretty sure it can run standalone or at most using keystone.
> speaking of which keystone can be used standablone in open source mano or keystone.
i ment to say  kubernetes kubctl and your k8s cluster can be configured to use keystone for auth.

> im not aware of anyone using placment standalone but it would also be a good candidate.
> glance has no depency on other project to function out side of perhaps keystone.
> im ignoring oslo deps in all cases above by the way since libary dependises are not an overhead
> for the operator they are an over head for the distro maintaienr or you can grab them form pip.
> 
> things like horizon and heat by there nature obviously cannot be used standalone but many of
> the lower level porject could be. if they are actully used standalone is another matter.
> 
> > 
> > So part of this long discussion, I think, is to make sure whatever
> > action the community takes is one that makes sense and does not confuse
> > the situation even more. Looking at it as a whole, does it make sense
> > for any service that can be used standalone to become its own top level
> > project. If it's only after a certain level of adoption, what is the
> > threshold or how is that decided? Is there a better way to not disrupt
> > the community while still addressing the needs of the projects that want
> > to stand out more as something that could be seen as more independent?
> > 
> > There isn't really an easy answer here, so it's worth getting input from
> > those involved in the community to make sure we don't go down a path we
> > are going to regret later.
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> 
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