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List: windows.dotnet.spring.devel
<Moving this to the Spring.NET Dev group>
Pascal,
Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a
little?
MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Griffin
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
> For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection
> every release (Collections are quit steady).
> It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I
> don't see why.
>
> By the way, are you guys using MSN?
>
> Pascal.
>
>
> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>
> > Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility
> > standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because
> > then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two
> > interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that
> > means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features
> > inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface.
> >
> > Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two
> > interfaces.
> >
> > - Griffin
> > On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, that what I mean.
> >> Sorry I was not clear.
> >> English is not my first language. Sorry again.
> >>
> >> Pascal.
> >>
> >> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pascal,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with
> >>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of
> >>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic
> >>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to
> >>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for
> >>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it
> >>> inherits from IQueue?
> >>>
> >>> - Griffin
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry
> >>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep
> >>>> compatibility with already written non generic class.
> >>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList.
> >>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a
> >>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class.
> >>>> Is it ok for you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>> Pascal
> >>>>
> >>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Pascal,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is
> >>>>> defined in
> >>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in
> >>>>> the namespace
> >>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location
> >>>>> considering we
> >>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror
> >>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is
> >>>>> currently in
> >>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than
> >>>>> IQueue<T> put under
> >>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace
> >>>>> in the
> >>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is
> >>>>> properly
> >>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we
> >>>>> can easily
> >>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of
> >>>>> adding a few
> >>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you
> >>>>> much easier
> >>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be
> >>>>> a good idea
> >>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same
> >>>>> 'bake time'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sound ok?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the
> >>>>> purpose of having
> >>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a
> >>>>> cut-n-paste
> >>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM
> >>>>> To: Mark Pollack
> >>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio'
> >>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core.
> >>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic
> >>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> the non Generic IQueue.
> >>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the
> >>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in
> >>>>> Spring.Core.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let me know
> >>>>> Pascal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn
> >>>>>> stuff
> >>>>>> setup.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully
> >>>>>> scoped out
> >>>>>> yet. At
> >>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing
> >>>>>> that until
> >>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support
> >>>>>> for .NET 1.0
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality
> >>>>>> places
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM
> >>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack
> >>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey Guys,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is
> >>>>>> done.
> >>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and
> >>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can
> >>>>>> confirm
> >>>>>> that, please?
> >>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
Hi,
I'd rather have a clean 'generic' only interface contract for IQueue<T> and
therefore not inherit from IQueue and considering that IQueue isn't widely
used, we can afford to make that change unlike the case with IList<T>/IList
in the BCL.
Cheers,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Griffin Caprio
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:11 PM
To: springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Springnet-developer] ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
<Moving this to the Spring.NET Dev group>
Pascal,
Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a
little?
MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Griffin
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
> For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection
> every release (Collections are quit steady).
> It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I
> don't see why.
>
> By the way, are you guys using MSN?
>
> Pascal.
>
>
> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>
>> Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility
>> standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because
>> then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two
>> interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that
>> means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features
>> inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface.
>>
>> Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two
>> interfaces.
>>
>> - Griffin
>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that what I mean.
>>> Sorry I was not clear.
>>> English is not my first language. Sorry again.
>>>
>>> Pascal.
>>>
>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pascal,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with
>>>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of
>>>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic
>>>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to
>>>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for
>>>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it
>>>> inherits from IQueue?
>>>>
>>>> - Griffin
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry
>>>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep
>>>>> compatibility with already written non generic class.
>>>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList.
>>>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a
>>>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class.
>>>>> Is it ok for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is
>>>>>> defined in
>>>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in
>>>>>> the namespace
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location
>>>>>> considering we
>>>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror
>>>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is
>>>>>> currently in
>>>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than
>>>>>> IQueue<T> put under
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is
>>>>>> properly
>>>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we
>>>>>> can easily
>>>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of
>>>>>> adding a few
>>>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you
>>>>>> much easier
>>>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be
>>>>>> a good idea
>>>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same
>>>>>> 'bake time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sound ok?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the
>>>>>> purpose of having
>>>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a
>>>>>> cut-n-paste
>>>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Mark Pollack
>>>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core.
>>>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic
>>>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the non Generic IQueue.
>>>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the
>>>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in
>>>>>> Spring.Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know
>>>>>> Pascal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully
>>>>>>> scoped out
>>>>>>> yet. At
>>>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing
>>>>>>> that until
>>>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support
>>>>>>> for .NET 1.0
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack
>>>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and
>>>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can
>>>>>>> confirm
>>>>>>> that, please?
>>>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
Hi,
I'd rather have a clean 'generic' only interface contract for IQueue<T> and
therefore not inherit from IQueue and considering that IQueue isn't widely
used, we can afford to make that change unlike the case with IList<T>/IList
in the BCL.
Cheers,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Griffin Caprio
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:11 PM
To: springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Springnet-developer] ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
<Moving this to the Spring.NET Dev group>
Pascal,
Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a
little?
MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Griffin
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
> For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection
> every release (Collections are quit steady).
> It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I
> don't see why.
>
> By the way, are you guys using MSN?
>
> Pascal.
>
>
> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>
>> Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility
>> standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because
>> then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two
>> interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that
>> means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features
>> inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface.
>>
>> Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two
>> interfaces.
>>
>> - Griffin
>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that what I mean.
>>> Sorry I was not clear.
>>> English is not my first language. Sorry again.
>>>
>>> Pascal.
>>>
>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pascal,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with
>>>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of
>>>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic
>>>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to
>>>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for
>>>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it
>>>> inherits from IQueue?
>>>>
>>>> - Griffin
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry
>>>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep
>>>>> compatibility with already written non generic class.
>>>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList.
>>>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a
>>>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class.
>>>>> Is it ok for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is
>>>>>> defined in
>>>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in
>>>>>> the namespace
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location
>>>>>> considering we
>>>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror
>>>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is
>>>>>> currently in
>>>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than
>>>>>> IQueue<T> put under
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is
>>>>>> properly
>>>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we
>>>>>> can easily
>>>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of
>>>>>> adding a few
>>>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you
>>>>>> much easier
>>>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be
>>>>>> a good idea
>>>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same
>>>>>> 'bake time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sound ok?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the
>>>>>> purpose of having
>>>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a
>>>>>> cut-n-paste
>>>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Mark Pollack
>>>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core.
>>>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic
>>>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the non Generic IQueue.
>>>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the
>>>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in
>>>>>> Spring.Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know
>>>>>> Pascal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully
>>>>>>> scoped out
>>>>>>> yet. At
>>>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing
>>>>>>> that until
>>>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support
>>>>>>> for .NET 1.0
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack
>>>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and
>>>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can
>>>>>>> confirm
>>>>>>> that, please?
>>>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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