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Pascal,

Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a
little?

MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx

- Griffin
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:

> For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection
> every release (Collections are quit steady).
> It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I
> don't see why.
>
> By the way, are you guys using MSN?
>
> Pascal.
>
>
> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>
>> Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility
>> standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because
>> then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two
>> interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that
>> means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features
>> inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface.
>>
>> Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two
>> interfaces.
>>
>> - Griffin
>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that what I mean.
>>> Sorry I was not clear.
>>> English is not my first language. Sorry again.
>>>
>>> Pascal.
>>>
>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pascal,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with
>>>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of
>>>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic
>>>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to
>>>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for
>>>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it
>>>> inherits from IQueue?
>>>>
>>>> - Griffin
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry
>>>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep
>>>>> compatibility with already written non generic class.
>>>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList.
>>>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a
>>>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class.
>>>>> Is it ok for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is
>>>>>> defined in
>>>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in
>>>>>> the namespace
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location
>>>>>> considering we
>>>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror
>>>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is
>>>>>> currently in
>>>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than
>>>>>> IQueue<T> put under
>>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is
>>>>>> properly
>>>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we
>>>>>> can easily
>>>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of
>>>>>> adding a few
>>>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you
>>>>>> much easier
>>>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be
>>>>>> a good idea
>>>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same
>>>>>> 'bake time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sound ok?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the
>>>>>> purpose of having
>>>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a
>>>>>> cut-n-paste
>>>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Mark Pollack
>>>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core.
>>>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic
>>>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the non Generic IQueue.
>>>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the
>>>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in
>>>>>> Spring.Core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know
>>>>>> Pascal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully
>>>>>>> scoped out
>>>>>>> yet. At
>>>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing
>>>>>>> that until
>>>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support
>>>>>>> for .NET 1.0
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack
>>>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and
>>>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can
>>>>>>> confirm
>>>>>>> that, please?
>>>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Hi, I'd rather have a clean 'generic' only interface contract for IQueue<T> and therefore not inherit from IQueue and considering that IQueue isn't widely used, we can afford to make that change unlike the case with IList<T>/IList in the BCL. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Griffin Caprio Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:11 PM To: springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Springnet-developer] ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor <Moving this to the Spring.NET Dev group> Pascal, Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a little? MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx - Griffin On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: > For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection > every release (Collections are quit steady). > It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I > don't see why. > > By the way, are you guys using MSN? > > Pascal. > > > On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: > >> Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility >> standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because >> then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two >> interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that >> means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features >> inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface. >> >> Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two >> interfaces. >> >> - Griffin >> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: >> >>> Yes, that what I mean. >>> Sorry I was not clear. >>> English is not my first language. Sorry again. >>> >>> Pascal. >>> >>> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: >>> >>>> Pascal, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with >>>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of >>>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic >>>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to >>>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for >>>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it >>>> inherits from IQueue? >>>> >>>> - Griffin >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: >>>> >>>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry >>>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail. >>>>> >>>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep >>>>> compatibility with already written non generic class. >>>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList. >>>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a >>>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class. >>>>> Is it ok for you? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Pascal >>>>> >>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pascal, >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is >>>>>> defined in >>>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in >>>>>> the namespace >>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location >>>>>> considering we >>>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror >>>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is >>>>>> currently in >>>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than >>>>>> IQueue<T> put under >>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace >>>>>> in the >>>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is >>>>>> properly >>>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we >>>>>> can easily >>>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of >>>>>> adding a few >>>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you >>>>>> much easier >>>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be >>>>>> a good idea >>>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same >>>>>> 'bake time'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sound ok? >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the >>>>>> purpose of having >>>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a >>>>>> cut-n-paste >>>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM >>>>>> To: Mark Pollack >>>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio' >>>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core. >>>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic >>>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue). >>>>>> >>>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited >>>>>> from >>>>>> the non Generic IQueue. >>>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the >>>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core. >>>>>> >>>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in >>>>>> Spring.Core. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know >>>>>> Pascal. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully >>>>>>> scoped out >>>>>>> yet. At >>>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing >>>>>>> that until >>>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support >>>>>>> for .NET 1.0 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality >>>>>>> places >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM >>>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack >>>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is >>>>>>> done. >>>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and >>>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can >>>>>>> confirm >>>>>>> that, please? >>>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Springnet-developer mailing list Springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springnet-developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. 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Hi, I'd rather have a clean 'generic' only interface contract for IQueue<T> and therefore not inherit from IQueue and considering that IQueue isn't widely used, we can afford to make that change unlike the case with IList<T>/IList in the BCL. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:springnet-developer-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Griffin Caprio Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:11 PM To: springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Springnet-developer] ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor <Moving this to the Spring.NET Dev group> Pascal, Not sure I follow the ThreadPool reference. Can you expand on it a little? MSN: griffincaprio@xxxxxxxxxxx - Griffin On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: > For Collections it's not a big deal. You do not change Collection > every release (Collections are quit steady). > It might be an issue for other type of class (ThreadPool), but I > don't see why. > > By the way, are you guys using MSN? > > Pascal. > > > On 18-Feb-08, at 4:36 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: > >> Ah, i see. I guess that makes sense from a compatibility >> standpoint, but it creates a HUGE maintenance nightmare because >> then we're basically creating one class that conforms to two >> interface contracts. Off the top of my head, I would bet that >> means we'll have to make concessions when implementing features >> inside classes that implement the IQueue<T> interface. >> >> Though, I could just be overestimating the cost of supporting two >> interfaces. >> >> - Griffin >> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: >> >>> Yes, that what I mean. >>> Sorry I was not clear. >>> English is not my first language. Sorry again. >>> >>> Pascal. >>> >>> On 18-Feb-08, at 4:24 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: >>> >>>> Pascal, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure I understand. If a user had written something with >>>> a IQueue paramter, why would that change with the introduction of >>>> IQueue<T> unless they wanted to take advantage of the generic >>>> interface. Then, they would just change the parameter to >>>> IQueue<T> and move on. Do you mean that it would be easier for >>>> the user to pass in an instance of a IQueue<T> class, since it >>>> inherits from IQueue? >>>> >>>> - Griffin >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Pascal Vantrepote wrote: >>>> >>>>> That was the idea (having Spring.Threading.Generic...) and sorry >>>>> I did not develop the idea in my previous mail. >>>>> >>>>> Now, having Generic inherit from non generic is to keep >>>>> compatibility with already written non generic class. >>>>> Like Microsoft is doing with IList<T> : IList. >>>>> By this way if a user already wrote a class using IQueue has a >>>>> parameter, he doesn't have to rewrite his class. >>>>> Is it ok for you? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Pascal >>>>> >>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 1:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pascal, >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly agree that it would make more sense if IQueue<T> is >>>>>> defined in >>>>>> Spring.Core and that is the end goal. Putting such classes in >>>>>> the namespace >>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic would seem like a natural location >>>>>> considering we >>>>>> already have a non generic namespace and it would mirror >>>>>> System.Collections.Generic. We wouldn't remove what is >>>>>> currently in >>>>>> Spring.Collections even if we support only >= .NET 2.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, since we would like to have much more than >>>>>> IQueue<T> put under >>>>>> Spring.Collections.Generic, why don't you create that namespace >>>>>> in the >>>>>> Spring.Threading project? This way once Spring.Threading is >>>>>> properly >>>>>> 'incubated' under this umbrella project of Spring Extensions we >>>>>> can easily >>>>>> move it into the main code base. If it is an urgent matter of >>>>>> adding a few >>>>>> classes into Spring.Core that would make development for you >>>>>> much easier >>>>>> right now, we can consider doing that, but I think it would be >>>>>> a good idea >>>>>> for all of the classes in Spring.Threading to have the same >>>>>> 'bake time'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sound ok? >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW: Isn't inheriting IQueue<T> from IQueue defeating the >>>>>> purpose of having >>>>>> generics? I would have thought a generic version would imply a >>>>>> cut-n-paste >>>>>> reuse of existing IQueue interfaces and implementing classes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:04 PM >>>>>> To: Mark Pollack >>>>>> Cc: 'Griffin Caprio' >>>>>> Subject: Re: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be able to have Generic for Collection in Spring.Core. >>>>>> It will be easier if IQueue (defined in Spring.Core) was Generic >>>>>> (IBlockingQueue inherit from IQueue). >>>>>> >>>>>> For now I can create a Generic IQueue (in Threading) inherited >>>>>> from >>>>>> the non Generic IQueue. >>>>>> The day, a decision is made to drop support of .NET 1.1, the >>>>>> definition can move from Threading to Core. >>>>>> >>>>>> But for me it make more sense if IQueue<T> is define in >>>>>> Spring.Core. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know >>>>>> Pascal. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18-Feb-08, at 12:46 PM, Mark Pollack wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great to see this progress! I'm working on getting the svn >>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adding generics support in Spring.Core hasn't been fully >>>>>>> scoped out >>>>>>> yet. At >>>>>>> the moment there is some debate if we should hold off doing >>>>>>> that until >>>>>>> Spring.NET 2.0 in which case we would also drop support >>>>>>> for .NET 1.0 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 1.1. In any case, I don't see Spring.Threading functionality >>>>>>> places >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> requirement on Spring.Core. Can you explain? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Pascal Vantrepote [mailto:pvantrepote@xxxxxxxxx] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:09 PM >>>>>>> To: Griffin Caprio; Mark Pollack >>>>>>> Subject: ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have good news. The port of ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor is >>>>>>> done. >>>>>>> Do you want me to send the files (I had to modify FutureTask and >>>>>>> IBlockingQueue) or wait until the repository is up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it was the last not implemented class. Griffin can >>>>>>> confirm >>>>>>> that, please? >>>>>>> So next step is to add Generic support. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Springnet-developer mailing list Springnet-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springnet-developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. 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