RE: Is there a mediator for this group?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Morris
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:51 PM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> Why isn't is simpler to control membership, allow only 
> members to post and boot off anyone that spams?  Unless I'm 
> missing something this would be easy on the moderator and 
> still limit spam.
> 
Actually, that won't work.

Spammers have an infinite supply of disposable email addresses. They often
use one per posting.

So, spammer will get at least one spam in per throw-away email address with
your suggestion.

Thomas F. Divine


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> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven Reddie
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:48 AM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> 
> There's no specific reason for choosing google over yahoo.  I 
> just picked google when I thought about setting up a new 
> group.  I'm not sure if the existing list being on yahoo 
> means that is good enough reason for a new group to stay on 
> yahoo.  Unless you're saying that the archive can somehow be 
> copied into the new group if it stays on yahoo.
> 
> I think you're right about the moderation of adding new 
> members.  I was thinking a quick email exchange could 
> determine if they were legit, but of course a legit newbie 
> may be indistinguishable from a knowledgeable spammer.
> The moderating of messages with the exception of established 
> users, as Anupam suggested, may be a better option.
> 
> If Kenny is still around it would be great to hear from you.  
> Changing moderation options would by far be the best 
> solution.  However, Paul's trouble tracking him down, and the 
> fact that Kenny's last message to this list was at the start 
> of the year makes me think that he is no longer tracking it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steven
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> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas F. Divine
> Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 4:44 PM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> 
> What is the criteria for approving a new member?
> 
> More specifically, how can you have any idea whether a new 
> member is a spammer?
> 
> I don't think that requiring new members to be approved is helpful.
> 
> Plus, Yahoo has the same "new members require approval" facility.
> 
> I am also thinking of a Google group. BUT, how do you 
> transfer five years of archive?
> 
> I haven't really found an advantage to Google Groups over Yahoo yet.
> 
> What makes you think it is better?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Steven Reddie" <smr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:34:33
> To:<windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> I just took a closer look at the GoogleGroups options and am 
> thinking of going with the following.  It supports the 
> options that you mentioned but I'm thinking that moderating 
> new member requests, rather than messages, might make less 
> work for the moderators.
> 
> * A few moderators, split across timezones
> * Another owner in addition to myself (Paul?) in case there 
> is a "bus error"
> 
> * New memberships are moderated, however any member can 
> invite another member and avoid the wait
> * Only members can post
> * Anyone can read the archives
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steven
> 
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> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas F. Divine
> Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 4:14 PM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Reddie
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:05 AM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > Can you have multiple moderators?
> 
> Yes, the list owner can assign anyone to be a moderator.
> 
> In addition, others who have a proven track record can be 
> setup to post without moderation.
> 
> > I did think about this
> > option but it concerns me that if only a single person can moderate 
> > that there's the danger that if they go on leave for a 
> while that the 
> > list grinds to a halt.
> 
> That's true, but there can be multiple moderators.
> 
> > Also, with timezone differences someone in an opposing 
> timezone won't 
> > be able to get a quick answer to a question.
> 
> Tradeoff is 1.) possible delayed approval against 2.) spam.
> 
> I don't think google or anyone has true spam-proof 
> technology. I am afraid only a human can do it.
> 
> >
> > I had to disable my ISPs spam filter.  They could only configure it 
> > site-wide and the settings caused many legitimate emails to get 
> > rejected due to certain HTML content.  I'm using a Bayesian filter 
> > which makes my 200+ spams per day much more manageable, 
> though still 
> > tedious.
> 
> Really sucks.
> 
> PCAUSA is a one-person company. Some spammer made a typo and 
> used the "pcusa.com" mailing list (hundreds of folks) to be 
> "pcausa.com".
> 
> Nothing like checking email and getting _thousands_ of span 
> emails _each time_ you hit the send/receive button! That took 
> quite a bit of work to fend
> 
> off.
> 
> Thomas
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