RE: Is there a mediator for this group?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Reddie
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:05 AM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> Hi Thomas,
>  
> Can you have multiple moderators?

Yes, the list owner can assign anyone to be a moderator.

In addition, others who have a proven track record can be setup to post
without moderation.

> I did think about this 
> option but it concerns me that if only a single person can 
> moderate that there's the danger that if they go on leave for 
> a while that the list grinds to a halt.

That's true, but there can be multiple moderators.

> Also, with timezone differences someone in an opposing 
> timezone won't be able to get a quick answer to a question.

Tradeoff is 1.) possible delayed approval against 2.) spam.

I don't think google or anyone has true spam-proof technology. I am afraid
only a human can do it.

>  
> I had to disable my ISPs spam filter.  They could only 
> configure it site-wide and the settings caused many 
> legitimate emails to get rejected due to certain HTML 
> content.  I'm using a Bayesian filter which makes my 200+ 
> spams per day much more manageable, though still tedious.

Really sucks.

PCAUSA is a one-person company. Some spammer made a typo and used the
"pcusa.com" mailing list (hundreds of folks) to be "pcausa.com".

Nothing like checking email and getting _thousands_ of span emails _each
time_ you hit the send/receive button! That took quite a bit of work to fend
off.

Thomas

>  
> Regards,
>  
> Steven
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> From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas F. Divine
> Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 3:39 PM
> To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> 
> 
> I run a Yahoo group dedicated to NDIS developer topics at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/discussion-pcausa/
> 
> I've had it for about five years.
> 
> I encountered the worst "spam" problem during the Bush/Gore 
> elections - then commercial spam later.
> 
> What works for my group is to require all posts to be 
> moderated - except for those posted by a few members who I 
> personally trust.
> 
> The moderation for a list with a small number of posts (less 
> than a hundred or so a month) is really easy. Yahoo sends an 
> email with the post to be moderated. To accept, just reply to 
> the message. To ban the member, just follow a link.
> 
> It's a little extra work, but insures no garbage hits the list.
> 
> Thomas F. Divine
> 
> P.S. Having a Blackberry, PDA or phone with email capability 
> makes it easier. Posts to be moderated come in anywhere and 
> can be approved just by replying to the message.
> 
> Spam is a terrible plague. I get 500 to a thousand spam a 
> day. Many are tossed by spam filters at my ISP, so only a 
> hundred or so hit my inbox.
> 
> Thomas 
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Reddie
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:26 PM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> > 
> > Hi Paul, and All,
> >  
> > I've just setup a googlegroups discussion list.  I'm interested to 
> > know whether you would all be interested in moving across.  
> The spam 
> > on this list has become so out of control that I'm ready to quit.  
> > It's a real shame as I've gained a lot out of this list 
> over the years 
> > and feel that I've been able to help others at times.  I do recall 
> > that this list has already transferred once quite some years ago.
> > The two lists coexisted for a while, but traffic on the old list 
> > dropped off pretty quickly.
> >  
> > I have set the new group up as anyone can join, but only 
> members can 
> > post, but it occured to me (and Paul echoed
> > below) that this effectively means anyone can post.  I've 
> just looked 
> > at all of the spam that I've received through this group 
> and although 
> > some are from the same user the majority are not, so 
> stopping the spam 
> > on a totally open group would be a loosing battle.
> > Therefore I'm proposing changing it to new members must be 
> approved to 
> > join.
> > If possible I will set it up to allow several of us old timers to 
> > admin the group and therefore approve membership requests, 
> although I 
> > don't yet know whether googlegroups allows for multiple admins.
> >  
> > Anyone interested?  If not I'll just delete the new group.  
> > If so, I'll post details here after I get consensus on 
> whether to go 
> > for "new users must be approved" mode.
> >  
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Steven
> > 
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Yao
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 3:03 PM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> > 
> > 
> > I sent him mail, but have not heard back from him. I'm 
> guessing he's 
> > swamped with other things. I'll contact Yahoo to see what 
> we need to 
> > do to get control of this group again.
> > (I think that Kenny put it in "no moderator" mode - so that anyone 
> > could join, and therefore post, to this
> > list...)
> > 
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Reddie
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:58 PM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> > 
> > Paul, did you have any luck getting in contact with Kenny?
> > 
> >   _____
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> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Yao
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:44 PM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> > 
> > 
> > Kenny Goers used to be the moderator. I will ping him to 
> see what he 
> > is up to these days.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Paul
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of raghavendra 
> > shankar
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:30 PM
> > To: windowsce-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [windowsce-dev] Is there a mediator for this group?
> > 
> > hi,
> >       Ian is absolutely correct is there any moderator for 
> this group 
> > please stop all these junks mails its flooding my inbox and its
> > absolutely   disturbing a lot
> > 
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> > ey03 <ian.casey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've been getting email from this group, lately seems to be 
> > all junk from MOX. 
> > 
> > Although I'm not a primo ce - developer I am interested in 
> > winCe developments.
> > Just wish I didn't have to run over to the email when MOX and 
> > other junk mail comes through channels like this. Other 
> > groups I'm on, kick them off the 1st time?
> > 
> > Just a thought,
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> > Ian
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