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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Presentation - Wikipedia in Schools

2009/7/19 Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > All comments gratefully received! I'll comment as I read - please excuse me not using a sandwich technique! Slide 2: Where does the 900,000 contributors come from? Not all use pseudonyms, "registered users" would be better. The WMF prefers not to be thought of as a publisher for legal reasons - I would go for "hosted". Slide 4: I think statements are better than questions for this kind of thing. As far as I know, you aren't leading a discussion session. The slides should summarise what you are saying. Slide 5: There is some non-free content in Wikipedia. While fair use images should be reusable as part of the articles in which they appear, they may not be reusable in their own right. Slide 6: An example with references would be better. (It looks like you've removed the references because there were too many - find an example with a more reasonable number so you can include them.) Slide 7: I'd rather WMUK didn't draw conclusions about how child-friendly Wikipedia is. Present the facts and let people make up their own minds. Personally, I think it is perfectly child-friendly, since I don't see any harm coming from exposure to sex and violence. Slide 9: Bear in mind that the Nature study is several years old now. Wikipedia has changed a lot since then. Slide 10: Typo: an->a. I wouldn't recommend COIs - drop the school bit. Slide 12: WikiSpecies is hardly one of our major projects. I would replace it with Wiktionary (I would also spell "Wiktionary" correction! ;)). Ok, those are my negative comments. Positive comment (half a sandwich, at least!): I think you've chosen the correct material. You are prioritising the right stuff. Just make sure you time yourself going through it (out loud) to make sure you can fit it all in. Good luck! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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I would suggest replacing: Wikipedia contains sexually explicit, violent language and is subject to vandalism Therefore â not child friendly With something more reassuring, remember most of your audience will have already looked at Wikipedia, some will even have edited it; but they may not have done so for some time. If so they may have perceptions of vandalism and article quality that are ancient in Wiki time, and this is your opportunity to persuade them to go back and see how much its changed. I would suggest that early on you ask your audience how many have read Wikipedia articles, did they spot errors? Did they fix those errors? Then say "We have hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who've made the changes that make wikipedia what it is today. Similarly with vandalism - there we do have an amazing story in terms of how quickly vandalism now gets fixed. Also worth asking how many have tried Wiktionary and commons. And talk up the advantages of Wikipedia over offline encyclopaedias - if something fits into several categories it can be given several categories unlike paper classification systems where each library book has to be fitted in one classification. Talk about hyperlinks, ask your audience if they've clicked on a link in a Wikipedia article, and give them an example - point out that when you read about Steel you can click on [[Bessemer Process] and from there you can go to [[Limestone]] without the hassle of looking at three different volumes in a dead tree pedia. WereSpielChequers --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Joe Anderson <computerjoe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Joe Anderson <computerjoe@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Presentation - Wikipedia in Schools > To: wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 10:39 PM > On 2009-07-19 18:33:41 +0100, Andrew > Turvey > <andrewrturvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > said: > > > > > > > All comments gratefully received! > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew > > > > > > <html><head><style type='text/css'>p > { margin: 0; > > }</style></head><body><div > style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; > > color: #000000'>All comments gratefully > > > received!<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Andrew<br></div></body></html> > > > > > > This message has one or more attachments. Select "Save > Attachments" > > from the File menu to save. > > I show a list of sources at the bottom of an article and > the inline > citations to demonstrate its transparency. > > I would also talk much more about Commons. Free images are > not only > useful for pupils, but can be used in school documents as > stock images > etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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2009/7/19 Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > All comments gratefully received! I'll comment as I read - please excuse me not using a sandwich technique! Slide 2: Where does the 900,000 contributors come from? Not all use pseudonyms, "registered users" would be better. The WMF prefers not to be thought of as a publisher for legal reasons - I would go for "hosted". Slide 4: I think statements are better than questions for this kind of thing. As far as I know, you aren't leading a discussion session. The slides should summarise what you are saying. Slide 5: There is some non-free content in Wikipedia. While fair use images should be reusable as part of the articles in which they appear, they may not be reusable in their own right. Slide 6: An example with references would be better. (It looks like you've removed the references because there were too many - find an example with a more reasonable number so you can include them.) Slide 7: I'd rather WMUK didn't draw conclusions about how child-friendly Wikipedia is. Present the facts and let people make up their own minds. Personally, I think it is perfectly child-friendly, since I don't see any harm coming from exposure to sex and violence. Slide 9: Bear in mind that the Nature study is several years old now. Wikipedia has changed a lot since then. Slide 10: Typo: an->a. I wouldn't recommend COIs - drop the school bit. Slide 12: WikiSpecies is hardly one of our major projects. I would replace it with Wiktionary (I would also spell "Wiktionary" correction! ;)). Ok, those are my negative comments. Positive comment (half a sandwich, at least!): I think you've chosen the correct material. You are prioritising the right stuff. Just make sure you time yourself going through it (out loud) to make sure you can fit it all in. Good luck! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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I would suggest replacing: Wikipedia contains sexually explicit, violent language and is subject to vandalism Therefore â not child friendly With something more reassuring, remember most of your audience will have already looked at Wikipedia, some will even have edited it; but they may not have done so for some time. If so they may have perceptions of vandalism and article quality that are ancient in Wiki time, and this is your opportunity to persuade them to go back and see how much its changed. I would suggest that early on you ask your audience how many have read Wikipedia articles, did they spot errors? Did they fix those errors? Then say "We have hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who've made the changes that make wikipedia what it is today. Similarly with vandalism - there we do have an amazing story in terms of how quickly vandalism now gets fixed. Also worth asking how many have tried Wiktionary and commons. And talk up the advantages of Wikipedia over offline encyclopaedias - if something fits into several categories it can be given several categories unlike paper classification systems where each library book has to be fitted in one classification. Talk about hyperlinks, ask your audience if they've clicked on a link in a Wikipedia article, and give them an example - point out that when you read about Steel you can click on [[Bessemer Process] and from there you can go to [[Limestone]] without the hassle of looking at three different volumes in a dead tree pedia. WereSpielChequers --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Joe Anderson <computerjoe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Joe Anderson <computerjoe@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Presentation - Wikipedia in Schools > To: wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 10:39 PM > On 2009-07-19 18:33:41 +0100, Andrew > Turvey > <andrewrturvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > said: > > > > > > > All comments gratefully received! > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew > > > > > > <html><head><style type='text/css'>p > { margin: 0; > > }</style></head><body><div > style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; > > color: #000000'>All comments gratefully > > > received!<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Andrew<br></div></body></html> > > > > > > This message has one or more attachments. Select "Save > Attachments" > > from the File menu to save. > > I show a list of sources at the bottom of an article and > the inline > citations to demonstrate its transparency. > > I would also talk much more about Commons. Free images are > not only > useful for pupils, but can be used in school documents as > stock images > etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org