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Jesse Mullan wrote: > zh_CN is simplified Chinese, and zh_TW is traditional Chinese. In UTF-8, > we can display both, so that doesn't affect whether or not to fall back to > one or the other. However, this is sort of a political issue -- simplified > Chinese is a mainland China (communist?) thing. I would recommend that we > do not have a zh.po, but I would be willing to defer to anyone who has > first hand knowledge. I would also recommend that we don't have a zh.po. The Mainland vs. Taiwan issue can be quite quite a touchy subject (someone left the Debian project because of it). As long as we don't choose a variant of Chinese and say "this is the official Chinese", we should be fine. Leaving zh_CN and zh_TW as separate should accomplish that nicely. -- ---------------------------- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ]

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Good points, but politics do play a part in SW development, especially the Taiwan/China issue. I can think of one large company based in Redmond, WA that had one of its products banned from China because they listed Taiwan as a separate country in configuration screens.  While it's easy to police/ban commercial SW, it's possible to instruct ISPs to prohibit installation of FOSS that offends the powers-that-be as well. Just my US$0.02. -----Original Message----- From: gallery-devel-admin-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gallery-devel-admin-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donald Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:29 AM To: gallery-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Gallery-devel] Chinese locale It seems like a semi-bad precedent to start, the influence of a political issue on how things are done.  I think someone brought up the less touchy Spanish Spain vs. Mexico, which was not resolved based on political opinion. I think the best way to resolve it would be logically.  Do people who speak Chinese stand a chance at understanding simplified Chinese if they speak umm... the other one?  Or is the reverse work? If zn_TW reverts to zn_CN and it is viable (ie, simplified Chinese is better than English), then it makes sense to do it that way.  If the opposite is true, do it that way.  If simplified Chinese and Chinese are just so different that having one displayed where there is no translation for the other, then English would be the way to go. I just think it would be a bad idea to let a political issue influence the development, it should be based on logic and established procedure.  Who is to say that a previous choice doesn't also have political ramifications and should be re-evaluated?  I'm just sayin... :) On 12/20/05, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jesse Mullan wrote: > > zh_CN is simplified Chinese, and zh_TW is traditional Chinese.  In UTF-8, > > we can display both, so that doesn't affect whether or not to fall back to > > one or the other.  However, this is sort of a political issue -- simplified > > Chinese is a mainland China (communist?) thing.  I would recommend that we > > do not have a zh.po, but I would be willing to defer to anyone who has > > first hand knowledge. > > I would also recommend that we don't have a zh.po.  The Mainland vs. > Taiwan issue can be quite quite a touchy subject (someone left the > Debian project because of it).  As long as we don't choose a variant of > Chinese and say "this is the official Chinese", we should be fine. > Leaving zh_CN and zh_TW as separate should accomplish that nicely. > > -- > ---------------------------- > Michael Schultheiss > E-mail: schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files > for problems?  Stop!  Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the  web.  DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ > > [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] > [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ] > -- AIM: fryfrog ICQ: 304825 WWW: http://www.fryfrog.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?  Stop!  Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the  web.  DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id865&op=click __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ]

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Jesse Mullan wrote: > zh_CN is simplified Chinese, and zh_TW is traditional Chinese. In UTF-8, > we can display both, so that doesn't affect whether or not to fall back to > one or the other. However, this is sort of a political issue -- simplified > Chinese is a mainland China (communist?) thing. I would recommend that we > do not have a zh.po, but I would be willing to defer to anyone who has > first hand knowledge. I would also recommend that we don't have a zh.po. The Mainland vs. Taiwan issue can be quite quite a touchy subject (someone left the Debian project because of it). As long as we don't choose a variant of Chinese and say "this is the official Chinese", we should be fine. Leaving zh_CN and zh_TW as separate should accomplish that nicely. -- ---------------------------- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ]

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Thanks for all the input... I actually stayed with separate zh_CN and zh_TW and closed the task after Stephen's first message. Sounds to me like the forms differ enough to justify this separation, political reasons aside. - Alan Donald Webster wrote: It seems like a semi-bad precedent to start, the influence of a political issue on how things are done. I think someone brought up the less touchy Spanish Spain vs. Mexico, which was not resolved based on political opinion. I think the best way to resolve it would be logically. Do people who speak Chinese stand a chance at understanding simplified Chinese if they speak umm... the other one? Or is the reverse work? If zn_TW reverts to zn_CN and it is viable (ie, simplified Chinese is better than English), then it makes sense to do it that way. If the opposite is true, do it that way. If simplified Chinese and Chinese are just so different that having one displayed where there is no translation for the other, then English would be the way to go. I just think it would be a bad idea to let a political issue influence the development, it should be based on logic and established procedure. Who is to say that a previous choice doesn't also have political ramifications and should be re-evaluated? I'm just sayin... :) On 12/20/05, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Jesse Mullan wrote: zh_CN is simplified Chinese, and zh_TW is traditional Chinese. In UTF-8, we can display both, so that doesn't affect whether or not to fall back to one or the other. However, this is sort of a political issue -- simplified Chinese is a mainland China (communist?) thing. I would recommend that we do not have a zh.po, but I would be willing to defer to anyone who has first hand knowledge. I would also recommend that we don't have a zh.po. The Mainland vs. Taiwan issue can be quite quite a touchy subject (someone left the Debian project because of it). As long as we don't choose a variant of Chinese and say "this is the official Chinese", we should be fine. Leaving zh_CN and zh_TW as separate should accomplish that nicely. -- ---------------------------- Michael Schultheiss E-mail: schultmc-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ] -- AIM: fryfrog ICQ: 304825 WWW: http://www.fryfrog.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id865&opclick __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ] ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click __[ g a l l e r y - d e v e l ]_________________________ [ list info/archive --> http://gallery.sf.net/lists.php ] [ gallery info/FAQ/download --> http://gallery.sf.net ]