"No user admin" with ClearCase eh? I'll have to
respectfully disagree with that. I'm gonna guess that
you have a team of sysadmins that administer your
license server, registry server, vob and view server.
No? If running in a heterogenous environment then you
gotta worry about Samba too. You need somebody to
create the VOBs, maybe put triggers on, if you're
using Defect Tracking work on the integration scripts
with ClearQuest or TestDirector or whatever... Not to
mention the time spent on putting together internal
training materials to explain to people what a "View"
and a "Config Spec" are and what a dynamic view is vs.
a snapshot view and creating regions and creating
views and making sure people have the right
config_spec and oh yeah, making sure people in Windows
have a view-tag for their view and their VOB and...
and.. and... PHEW. I'd forgotten how much *FUN*
supporting ClearCase was... 8 )
I'll also have to disagree with the suggestion that a
ClearCase build running inside a dynamic view (or even
from a snapshot view) is faster than sync'ing code out
of perforce. I've seen java builds of about 7000-8000
files take anywhere from 2 to 8 hours, depending on
how well MVFS and View/Vob servers were configured
(the network Gods willing, of course). Pulling an
equal set of files out of the VOB through a snapshot
view is nowhere near as fast as P4. Specially if
you're at a different site than from where the main
cod repository is (oh and don't even get me started on
MultiSite)
I battled ClearCase for about 5 years and just totally
love P4. It's light, fast and very specific to its
purpose. It sorta adheres to the guiding principle in
the majority of UNIX utilities: do a simple job,
simply and efficiently. Yeah, it doesn't have all the
bells and whistles of its more "prestigious"
competitor but in my previous lives, I've yet to see
an organisation that makes full or even 70% of a
realisation of the so-called "potential" of ClearCase.
Respectfully submitted (and pedantically opinionated),
Rene Medellin
Release Engineer,
MarketAxess Inc.
--- Robert MacMunn <RobertMacMunn@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> With Clearcase there is no user admin. I agree that
> the developers
> complain less. The release engineers complain more
> because Perforce
> adds to the build times because of the sync.
>
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