Joachim Noreiko wrote:
> I find mailing list archives near-impossible to read.
It is the preferred means of communication for our Team, and Team
members are expected to be subscribed to it. You may feel more
comfortable interacting with the list through Gmane [1]. Note that some
of our older messages may not have been imported into the Gmane archive.
> I've made my point as clearly as I can: "Deleted items" causes the Trash
> interface to make no sense.
> I don't see what reasons can trump that.
If you don't read the list, how can you expect to be informed of the
issues or reasons? We work as a team, and important decisions are
discussed on the list. We clearly state this on our Web pages. Important
changes should not be decided upon unilaterally.
Bruce Cowan wrote:
> I ran a forum poll about this issue [0], again not very scientific, but this
> is a larger sample size at least.
The original Team poll was more of an exercise than anything definitive.
The majority of the Team members taking part in the discussion had
already voted in favour of the change. Also, sample size is not
everything. The Team members were actively (or at least passively)
taking part in the discussion, and hence were aware of all of the issues
involved and also of the mission of the Ubuntu-l10n-En-GB effort. Also,
most Team members have been tested for their knowledge and skill in the
language and have agreed with the principles of the project. Whether
this outweighs the votes of an uninformed crowd is another matter, and
I'll leave that decision up to you.
One thing we did agree upon after making this change is that we need
better communication with upstream projects, and we have been forging
closer relationships with groups like GNOME-UK and KDE-En-GB. The main
way in which we differ is that we are at present a Commonwealth
translation project, and are not strictly British. This is part of a
longer-term plan to eventually have regional variations[2].
There is some inconsistency amongst KDE, GNOME and other projects, so
the notion that we altered a single en_GB standard is a fallacy. KDE
uses 'wastebin', GNOME uses 'wastebasket', and some applications use
'deleted items'. Instead of creating yet another standard, we chose to
adopt an existing one. Ideally, projects upstream should agree upon a
single title. In the meanwhile we should provide a degree of consistency
with what we already have, rather than inventing something entirely new.
The supposed desktop metaphor is a weak one these days. Software is not
restricted to the limited capabilities of an office desk. Users are
aware of what it means to 'delete' a file, and most people don't talk
about placing a digital file in a rubbish receptacle.
Issues such as these, amongst many others, were raised in the discussion
on the ubuntu-l10n-eng mailing list.
Note once again that I have closed this report. It was a conscious
decision and is not a bug.
[1] http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.translators.en
[2] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.translators.en/529
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"Deleted items folder" name doesn't make sense
https://launchpad.net/bugs/72304
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