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>> I think Apple machines are better put together than most others.
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> What you "think" is irrelevant in the face of real facts.

You seem to be missing my point. My personal opinion regarding Apple hardware
is not based on some psuedo-religious belief that Apple 'must' make better
machines than anyone else. I didn't start out with this view years ago and then
decided to shape my experiences to fit this. It was the other way around. I've
owned various machines over the years, and by far my current mac is the best
put together. This is a fact, as far as it goes and you cannot argue it away. I
sure there are others who have had similar good experiences with other hardware
and would argue the same for them. I would never suggest their opinions are any
less valid than mine.

I also never said that my opinion was a replacement for a 'proper' statistical
analysis. I was just pointing out there there was no reason to believe the
particular review that was picked out of the vast amount of crude on the
internet is totally accurate and unbiased. Doing such a review properly is
difficult verging on impossible without some sort of bias, in my opnion. My
personal experiences might well go against such a proper rigorous analysis and
unbiased analysis, if it exists, but it still doesn't change my experience or
invalidate it.

Anyway, this debate has certainly now gone well OT now, so this is my last word
in this thread. Its clear we both have our own views on Apple hardware and
neither is going to convince the other to change anyway ;)
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Chris Jones wrote: > On 28 Nov 2009, at 1:54pm, Odd wrote: > >> Chris Jones wrote: >>>> Thats a lie. I can get a machine with just as high quality and >>>> power as the mac mini for around $350 to $400 dollars. >>>> Macbooks are of no more superior quality as a lot of PC based >>>> laptops. Personally I would prefer a Dell laptop over a Macbook >>>> any day. >>> Its not a lie, its my opinion. You may disagree and that is fine. >>> I wouldn't be so rude to call your opinion a lie so please give >>> me the same courtesy. >> Facts disagree with you: >> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/laptop-reliability-survey-asus-and-toshiba-win-hp-fails/ >> >> >> >> There are three companies ahead of Apple. > > True, in that particular survey. I'm sure though that if you search > hard enough you can find results that suggest any of the main brands > are the best (*) ... Also, from a scientific point of view I would > want an estimate of the errors on those numbers. I would suggest, > within the accuracy of the survey you cannot tell apart results that > different than less than say a few %. Which means that Apple hw is no more reliable than the others. > Also, if you read the comments there are suggestions that the source > of the data for that particular survey are questionable. That's a thin argument, if I ever saw one. Comments below an article. Really? That's a better source of facts you think? > I don't know how good the data for that survey is, Well, it's certainly more reliable than your faith-based opinions on Apple hw. > but my point is randomly citing one survey found on the web is not a > reliable way to prove a point. Again, it's certainly more reliable than your faith-based opinions on Apple hw. Which really is no different than a religion if you think about it. Dismissing facts because they don't vibe with your faith? > My opinion is just that, my opinion based on owning various hardware > over the years, and helping friends and colleagues with theirs. And your personal opinion is based on far, far less data than the data above. > Based on that, and not random web surveys, That's not a random "web survey" but actual numbers from a large hw service provider. > I think Apple machines are better put together than most others. What you "think" is irrelevant in the face of real facts. > http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/10/23/apple.tops.reliability/ I guess Apple hw quality has deteriorated a lot since 1997. -- Odd -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users

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Re: Mac look alike?

Chris Jones wrote: >>> I think Apple machines are better put together than most others. >> What you "think" is irrelevant in the face of real facts. > > You seem to be missing my point. My personal opinion regarding Apple > hardware is not based on some psuedo-religious belief that Apple > 'must' make better machines than anyone else. I didn't start out with > this view years ago and then decided to shape my experiences to fit > this. It was the other way around. I've owned various machines over > the years, and by far my current mac is the best put together. This > is a fact, It's a fact that you think that, yes. > as far as it goes and you cannot argue it away. I sure there are > others who have had similar good experiences with other hardware and > would argue the same for them. I would never suggest their opinions > are any less valid than mine. > > I also never said that my opinion was a replacement for a 'proper' > statistical analysis. I was just pointing out there there was no > reason to believe the particular review that was picked out of the > vast amount of crude on the internet is totally accurate and > unbiased. 30.000 machines. They service all brands. They make money from all. Why should they lie? These are simple statistics. > Doing such a review properly is difficult verging on impossible > without some sort of bias, in my opnion. Well, that's your opinion. You are wrong, but you are allowed to be wrong. They have no reason to be biased, either way you look at it. > My personal experiences might well go against such a proper rigorous > analysis and unbiased analysis, if it exists, but it still doesn't > change my experience or invalidate it. Granted. > Anyway, this debate has certainly now gone well OT now, so this is my > last word in this thread. Its clear we both have our own views on > Apple hardware and neither is going to convince the other to change > anyway ;) You're probly right about that. :) -- Odd -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
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