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Subject: Re: Ubuntu Domain Server - msg#01973List: ubuntu-devel-discuss> I just edit resolv.conf anyway and fix it the next time it âbreaksâ (every > time I log into my company VPN, even though I have the PPPoE client set to > not apply DNS settings from the DHCP server). For a personal computer, I can > just keep editing; I have to fix the default route every time anyway. But it > would be nice to know how to âfixâ it â and the routing table â permanently. > > Hence the need for a consensus on predetermined fixed configurations for a/b/c/d UDS distro if you really want it. What you have all described is a case of too many cooks spoil the broth. Which is why I tell those who ask why I keep saying we cannot do x, y, z instead of just plain a to feel free to try. The simpler the design is, the more likely you can do a good job. For those who feel I was being elitist or plain just want to keep my iron rice bowl, they are free to prove that it is viable to do x, y, z instead of just a. You mess up, I get more work :-P. You pull it off, I might get to see the end of the Microsoft monopoly. :-D Either way, I think I will still have an iron rice bowl. :-P -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRE: Ubuntu Domain ServerI just edit resolv.conf anyway and fix it the next time it âbreaksâ (every time I log into my company VPN, even though I have the PPPoE client set to not apply DNS settings from the DHCP server). For a personal computer, I can just keep editing; I have to fix the default route every time anyway. But it would be nice to know how to âfixâ it â and the routing table â permanently. > From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shentino > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:33 AM > To: Morten Kjeldgaard > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Domain Server > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard <mok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 20/10/2009, at 15.35, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> >>>> I will never understand why a server GUI would improve anything? >> >> I will never understand why elitists hate GUIs. ÂA good UI should >> improve >> things by absolutely preventing misconfiguration. > > That's because the GUI often gets in the way of good sysadm practices > and also automated configuration such as cfengine and the like. > > One example is the /etc/resolv.conf file, which used to be a simple 3 > line file that in karmic has been replaced with a complex and > intransparent resolvconf system, that is part of the network > configuation gui and clobbers /etc/resolv.conf at every boot. > > IIRC, resolvconf leaves a big fat #AUTOGENERATED, DO NOT EDIT comment line > >in the file, so at least any potential conf-file monkeys looking to poke > around are clued in, and presumably a short operation can tell resolvconf to > go away or at least disable itself. > > There's a huge difference maintaining a single-user system on a laptop > and hundreds of workstations. > > -- Morten > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: Ubuntu Domain ServerRemco wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 19:28, Derek Broughton <derek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> As for whether they'll understand - that's what the tool is for, to make it >> _possible_ for them to understand. The people you would aim such a tool at >> certainly don't have a clue about virtual hosts, but they do know that >> they're running multiple domains and can't figure out how to make them both >> listen on port 80. >> > > This is something I ran into. I didn't care to figure out how to > configure virtual hosts, so I just created a small PHP script that > redirects a visitor to the correct subdirectory depending on the host > name. Ugly, but it works. If I'd have to set it up now, I'd use > rapache. > > You, however, knew that you wanted to do but not necessarily how to enable it in apache. Writing a php script probably means you know how to keep it secure too. That is way different from the uninitiated being given a powertool and left to their devices although not every GUI will prove to be a 'powertool'. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRE: Ubuntu Domain ServerI just edit resolv.conf anyway and fix it the next time it âbreaksâ (every time I log into my company VPN, even though I have the PPPoE client set to not apply DNS settings from the DHCP server). For a personal computer, I can just keep editing; I have to fix the default route every time anyway. But it would be nice to know how to âfixâ it â and the routing table â permanently. > From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shentino > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:33 AM > To: Morten Kjeldgaard > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Derek Broughton > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Domain Server > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard <mok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 20/10/2009, at 15.35, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> >>>> I will never understand why a server GUI would improve anything? >> >> I will never understand why elitists hate GUIs. ÂA good UI should >> improve >> things by absolutely preventing misconfiguration. > > That's because the GUI often gets in the way of good sysadm practices > and also automated configuration such as cfengine and the like. > > One example is the /etc/resolv.conf file, which used to be a simple 3 > line file that in karmic has been replaced with a complex and > intransparent resolvconf system, that is part of the network > configuation gui and clobbers /etc/resolv.conf at every boot. > > IIRC, resolvconf leaves a big fat #AUTOGENERATED, DO NOT EDIT comment line > >in the file, so at least any potential conf-file monkeys looking to poke > around are clued in, and presumably a short operation can tell resolvconf to > go away or at least disable itself. > > There's a huge difference maintaining a single-user system on a laptop > and hundreds of workstations. > > -- Morten > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Next Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: Ubuntu Domain Server> I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced administrator, > but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change that. Many > businesses just want something that works and is easy to manage, even if > there are "issues" such as no backups. The target audience is the general > public, and the general public isn't going to know how to configure servers > using a CLI. They want something simple that gets the job done, and they're > who we need to cater for. > Then when these inexperienced "admins" screw up, who will be to blame? Ubuntu, naturally, fo not making ABC or XYZ intuitive, obvious, or easy. Why not have a GUI program that performs brain surgery? That rebuilds Ford smallblocks? That gives legal advice? Some jobs require a professional, and making them "accessible" does nobody any good. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Loading Comments...
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