Re: Re: Re: Australian tv grabber

Thankyou for the valuable information Frederik, I will make initial contact 
with the stations soon and see what I can come up with.

Cheers,
Elliot
"Fredrik Högberg" <usur@xxxxxxx> wrote in message 
news:002901c4d58a$20f5a870$0600a8c0@xxxxxxxxxx
> Hi Elliot!
> I'm the one who has been handling all negotiations with the swedish 
> channels
> and thought i should tell you what i found out during the process if 
> you're
> thinking of trying something similar.
>
> The key here in sweden was to get in touch with there press relations
> office. They're used to hand out listings to newspapers and internet 
> sites.
> Once i discovered that things went smoth. The only issues where with the
> state owned public service channels that had problems with allowing a
> private individual signing there agreement instead of companies as they 
> are
> used to.
> One channel even had there press site with xml listings publicly available
> to anyone.
>
> Hope things can go well in australia as well and that we can exchange
> experiences.
>
> Cheers
> Fredrik Högberg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elliot Shepherd" <elliot-xmltv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <xmltv-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:43 PM
> Subject: [Xmltv-devel] Re: Re: Australian tv grabber
>
>
>> Hi Mattias,
>>
>> Sounds like an interesting idea, and an angle I had not thought of. Ill
> have
>> a look at this in the next few days, just see what I can come up with. 
>> The
>> stations would be mad to say no, this is in their interest!
>>
>> Elliot
>>
>> p.s I just hope there are no deals already in place that prevent 
>> something
>> like this in australia, but im sure there are more knowledgable people in
>> here that may know.
>>
>> "Mattias Holmlund" <u82@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:41A9A722.2040501@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > We have setup a site with xmltv-listings for Sweden
> (http://tv.swedb.se).
>> > The grabber tv_grab_se_swedb grabs the data from the site by 
>> > downloading
>> > an xmlfile describing all channels and then downloading one file per 
>> > day
>> > and channel and concatenating them. You can look at the data that we
>> > provide at
>> >
>> > http://tv.swedb.se/xmltv/
>> >
>> > Start with channels.xml.gz and you'll quickly figure out the rest.
>> >
>> > We get our data directly from each tv station. We have agreements with
>> > each of the tv stations that allows us to use the data from their press
>> > sites. This means a lot of work for us, since each tv station provides
> the
>> > data in their own undocumented format, but it is 100% legal and the 
>> > data
>> > is stable since they don't update the format in the same way a website
>> > might redo their layout. I haven't been in contact with the tv stations
>> > myself, but we have gotten agreements with all stations that we have
>> > contacted so far, so it seems that they are fairly positive once they
>> > understand what we are doing. We are also doing this completely
> non-profit
>> > which might help. The data that we receive from the press sites vary in
>> > quality and how much data that they provide, but we will be able to
>> > extract episode information categorizations from at least some of them.
>> >
>> > If you want to use the same format as we do, we can cooperate on the
>> > grabber side. tv_grab_se_swedb is already feature complete, but I plan
> to
>> > make a grabber in some other language as well (C# probably) to provide
>> > better support for Windows users.
>> >
>> > /Mattias
>> >
>> > Elliot Shepherd wrote:
>> >
>> >>Distribution rights? Short answer : no.
>> >>
>> >>If it the site i am grabbing from says it is a "Community Service" and
> no
>> >>copyright message is given anywhere on the site.
>> >>
>> >>From your point of view though, you would only be providing a script
> that
>> >>downloads from my server. There can't be any legal problems with that
> can
>> >>there?
>> >>
>> >>Elliot
>> >>
>> >>"Robert Eden" <rmeden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>news:20041127053337.23080.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >>>This is the right place.
>> >>>
>> >>>I don't know if this is a issue Down Under or not, but do you have the
>> >>>legal right to redistribute the data?
>> >>>
>> >>>Most of the commerical web sites allow access for personal use with 
>> >>>the
>> >>>restriction of not redistributing it.  That's a major reason why the
>> >>>XMLTV project distributes grabbers, not data.
>> >>>
>> >>>If you do have distribution rights, someone with an interest (i.e.
>> >>>"itch to scratch") could write  a grabber and I don't see a problem
>> >>>with including it in the XMLTV distribution.
>> >>>
>> >>>Robert
>> >>>
>> >>>--- Elliot Shepherd <elliot-xmltv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hi all.  =)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Apologies in advance for this post if it is in the wrong area.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I am developing a site which grabs tv listings for about 40 regions
>> >>>>in
>> >>>>australia and spits it out xmltv format. It already works in fact, i
>> >>>>am just
>> >>>>trying to make it a bit more bulletproof.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I just wanted to know once it's online for everyone, if a simple
>> >>>>plugin for
>> >>>>xmltv can be made to just grab the data  from my server.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>Elliot
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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