Re: Re: Re: Australian tv grabber

Hi Elliot!
I'm the one who has been handling all negotiations with the swedish channels
and thought i should tell you what i found out during the process if you're
thinking of trying something similar.

The key here in sweden was to get in touch with there press relations
office. They're used to hand out listings to newspapers and internet sites.
Once i discovered that things went smoth. The only issues where with the
state owned public service channels that had problems with allowing a
private individual signing there agreement instead of companies as they are
used to.
One channel even had there press site with xml listings publicly available
to anyone.

Hope things can go well in australia as well and that we can exchange
experiences.

Cheers
Fredrik Högberg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliot Shepherd" <elliot-xmltv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <xmltv-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: [Xmltv-devel] Re: Re: Australian tv grabber


> Hi Mattias,
>
> Sounds like an interesting idea, and an angle I had not thought of. Ill
have
> a look at this in the next few days, just see what I can come up with. The
> stations would be mad to say no, this is in their interest!
>
> Elliot
>
> p.s I just hope there are no deals already in place that prevent something
> like this in australia, but im sure there are more knowledgable people in
> here that may know.
>
> "Mattias Holmlund" <u82@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:41A9A722.2040501@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > We have setup a site with xmltv-listings for Sweden
(http://tv.swedb.se).
> > The grabber tv_grab_se_swedb grabs the data from the site by downloading
> > an xmlfile describing all channels and then downloading one file per day
> > and channel and concatenating them. You can look at the data that we
> > provide at
> >
> > http://tv.swedb.se/xmltv/
> >
> > Start with channels.xml.gz and you'll quickly figure out the rest.
> >
> > We get our data directly from each tv station. We have agreements with
> > each of the tv stations that allows us to use the data from their press
> > sites. This means a lot of work for us, since each tv station provides
the
> > data in their own undocumented format, but it is 100% legal and the data
> > is stable since they don't update the format in the same way a website
> > might redo their layout. I haven't been in contact with the tv stations
> > myself, but we have gotten agreements with all stations that we have
> > contacted so far, so it seems that they are fairly positive once they
> > understand what we are doing. We are also doing this completely
non-profit
> > which might help. The data that we receive from the press sites vary in
> > quality and how much data that they provide, but we will be able to
> > extract episode information categorizations from at least some of them.
> >
> > If you want to use the same format as we do, we can cooperate on the
> > grabber side. tv_grab_se_swedb is already feature complete, but I plan
to
> > make a grabber in some other language as well (C# probably) to provide
> > better support for Windows users.
> >
> > /Mattias
> >
> > Elliot Shepherd wrote:
> >
> >>Distribution rights? Short answer : no.
> >>
> >>If it the site i am grabbing from says it is a "Community Service" and
no
> >>copyright message is given anywhere on the site.
> >>
> >>From your point of view though, you would only be providing a script
that
> >>downloads from my server. There can't be any legal problems with that
can
> >>there?
> >>
> >>Elliot
> >>
> >>"Robert Eden" <rmeden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>news:20041127053337.23080.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>>This is the right place.
> >>>
> >>>I don't know if this is a issue Down Under or not, but do you have the
> >>>legal right to redistribute the data?
> >>>
> >>>Most of the commerical web sites allow access for personal use with the
> >>>restriction of not redistributing it.  That's a major reason why the
> >>>XMLTV project distributes grabbers, not data.
> >>>
> >>>If you do have distribution rights, someone with an interest (i.e.
> >>>"itch to scratch") could write  a grabber and I don't see a problem
> >>>with including it in the XMLTV distribution.
> >>>
> >>>Robert
> >>>
> >>>--- Elliot Shepherd <elliot-xmltv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all.  =)
> >>>>
> >>>>Apologies in advance for this post if it is in the wrong area.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am developing a site which grabs tv listings for about 40 regions
> >>>>in
> >>>>australia and spits it out xmltv format. It already works in fact, i
> >>>>am just
> >>>>trying to make it a bit more bulletproof.
> >>>>
> >>>>I just wanted to know once it's online for everyone, if a simple
> >>>>plugin for
> >>>>xmltv can be made to just grab the data  from my server.
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>Elliot
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
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