At 21:57 18/10/2002, W. Eliot Kimber wrote:
>1960's: gencode projects start as a way to standardize typesetting codes.
>Basic ideas of generalized markup for documents start to form
http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/sgmlhist.htm
William Tunnicliffe credited ?
Also
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:BDOvZrsgsNkC:nl.ijs.si/et/talks/Eurolan/sgmlhist0.ps.gz+gencode+project&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
GCA GenCode committee,chaired by Sharon Adler of IBM
Does it still exist Sharon?
>1970's:
> - Goldfarb, Moscher(? sorry, don't have SGML Handbook to hand), and Laurie
> develop GML at IBM in order to satisfy requirements of legal document search
> and retrieval. GML implemented on top of IBM's Document Composition Facility
> (DCF).
Edward Mosher and Raymond Lorie, yep found them.
> - Various large publishers, such as Boeing (where Sharon worked) and the
> U.S. government start using GML to solve large-scale publishing problems.
> Quickly realize the limitation of having markup language bound too tightly to
> underlying typesetting language.
So this was the time the split began between style and content?
> - TeX is developed. LaTex developed--similar to GML in that it is a more
> semantic macro language on top of a low-level formatting language (not sure
> of the exact timing here).
Any direct relationship between gml and tex or were they parallel
developments?
>1980's:
> - SGML standard developed, driven both by GML and other industry efforts.
> Standard published in 1986.
> - DSSSL standard work started, Sharon Adler editor and driving force
What was the trigger for DSSSL Sharon? Closing the loop back to gencode
objectives?
> - HyTime standard work started. Charles Goldfarb editor and driving force
> - FOSI spec developed to meet U.S. DoD requirements (not sure of exact
> timing here). Implemented by Datalogics and Arbortext.
Was Paul with Arbortext then?
>Early 1990's:
>
> - IBM starts developing SGML replacement for it's GML application BookMaster
> (used for 90% of IBM's publications).
Oh! News to me.
> - HyTime standard published.
Sounds like a lonely interjection Eliot.
what was the motivation for this work please?
>1992: World Wide Web invented. Nobody gets it.
>
>1994: Mosaic 2.0 Web browser released. Supports graphics in Web pages.
>Suddenly everyone gets it (or starts to).
I'd question 'everyone' but I still remember the high of using my
first browser around that time.
>Mid 90's: CSS developed as a way to do client-side styling of HTML docs.
<grin/>We can't get them all right!
>1995:
>
>- HyTime and DSSSL camps realize they must come to agreement on the
>fundamental data model for SGML documents. Groves invented to solve this
>problem.
And nobody got groves either?
>1996:
>- DSSSL standard published. James Clark releases Jade DSSSL implementation.
>
>- John Bosak starts "SGML on the Web" activity with the express goal of
>enabling high-quality rendering of SGML documents in Web browsers.
That's interesting. I started to monitor xml-dev in early 97, and hadn't
realised that was a goal, certainly not the 'high quality print' aspect.
>1997:
>
> - HyTime standard V2 (now with groves) published.
> - XML 1.0 published.
> - Works start on XSL. Immediately gets diverted to task of generating HTML
> from XML.
Almost comical in retrospect. Sharon, were you part of the debate in the WG
on what to do about that? I remember the debate on mulberrytech.
>2001:
> - XSL FO recommendation published. Four implementations availble: FOP, XEP,
> XSL Formatter, and Epic (partial implementation)
>
>2002:
>
> - XEP, XSL Formatter, Epic all upgraded to implement almost all FO features
> and provide some support for missing FO features
> - XSL FO reaches 1-year anniversary
Thanks Eliot. Much appreciated.
Regards DaveP
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