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Re: Not snazzy (was: New Unicode Savvy Logo): msg#00746

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Subject: Re: Not snazzy (was: New Unicode Savvy Logo)

From: "Tom Gewecke" <tom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> I wonder about this. The Unicode FAQ makes the point that some browsers
> will not display NCR's unless the charset is UTF-8. It does seem logical
> that, NCR's or not, a page with the logo should be in one of the three
> standard Unicode Encoding Forms, UTF-8, 16, or 32.

The Unicode FAQ could have said also that the reverse is also true: there are
still (even more) browsers that do not display UTF-8 correctly, but accept
Numeric Character References and accept them correctly as designating Unicode
codepoints.

I got more reports notably from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese users, who still
use very often a browser that supports some form their national encoding (SJIS,
GB2312, Big5, KSC5601), sometimes with ISO2022-* but shamely do not decode
UTF-8 properly (even when the page is correctly labelled, because their browser
does not switch automatically the encoding when the page is loaded). This case
occurs even when the encoding is specified with a HTTP Content-Type header, or
with a HTML header element.

So for now, it's simply easier to use UTF-8 when designing the pages, and then
save them into ISO-8859-1 (using NCRs). I admit this is troublesome, but the
same browsers really know how to use Unicode codepoints and even know UTF-8,
but refuse to switch to it because they do not interpret the meta information
that both the page content and the HTTP header specify! I have found that these
browsers simply do not recognize ANY encoding markup or meta-data and always
use the user setting (which is stupid in that case, unless the page was
incorrectly labelled).



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