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RE: ITM: msg#00534
sysutils.tivoli.tme10
Wow, I
am so out of touch ... I haven't been to any tech conferences since Planet
Tivoli '01 (or was it '02? ... it was in D.C. is all I remember).
The
only thing I can say is "IBM, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE replace 'ITM for Business
Integration WebSphere MQ' with the Candle Agent for MQ product!" We have
had Candle here for years monitoring MQ (both mainframe & distributed
environments), but IBM pitched a better price point to our bean counters a while
back, so we purchased ITM for MQ ... and right smack dab in the middle of a very
hateful implementation experience, IBM buys Candle!!!!!!!!! Our MQ admins
absolutely loathe ITM for MQ, and by comparison love Candle for MQ.
I'm just the implementer, I don't "own" the monitoring experience ... I'll be
happy to implement any dang thing I can to meet the customer's needs, but I
don't have purchasing decision powers around these here parts. Grumble
grumble grumble.
:-)
John
Guadagnino
Gap
Inc.
I recall them saying
at the Technical Conference that the Framework was going to move towards a
Websphere base. So maybe they're migrating towards that Web Services
model. In addition there is the Candle acquisition to mull over - I know
that the Candle Web Portal is going to be the main event console for them and
will (mercifully, IMHO) replace the Web Health Console. I suspect that
Candle has a lot to offer in terms of usability; they always were a class act
in the mainframe arena.
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What a relief they weren't whispering OS2 =(-;
/Gus
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David
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SOA ??
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Of Loren Cain
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At the Planet Tivoli conference last fall, for
the first time I
heard IBM
folks publically discuss how the Framework is
a limiting factor to the kinds of things they want to do.
You
might try to find some of
the conference presentations to
gain some insight into where Tivoli is going.
The operative word seems to be: SOA
Loren Cain
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Tu chez... but I gotta say...the idea of IBM/Tivoli
products being better outside of the framework makes ya' think and is kinda
morbidly funny...
Thanks,
Eric C.
Jones
Enterprise Systems Management
SSMT Tivoli Engineer, JP Morgan
Chase
614.213.6537
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Exactely! The "point" in point solution at this site stands for
96+% (Windows) of the installed base. So it's a big point!
Tell me something, if Framework was such a good idea how come the
products I'm evaluating right now (TWS and ITMTP)
never have and propably never will run under Tivoli Framework? And
as a "consequence" both perform very well and are excellent
positioned.
Infact I haven't seen one single product
(apart from ITM) move to FW since I started in 1998, have you? When I started
with Tivoli products they where considered "good enough". I'm not so sure that
is the case right now.
To me it boils down to
a focal point of alarm handling. Frameworks or point solution does'nt really
matter as long as the stability and quality is in the right place.
Which clearly isn't the case with ITM today.
Time will tell if MOM 200? will replace ITM or not.
It sure will be an interesting journey.
/Gus
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Okay, I was gonna' let this ITM berating pass and die...but
c'mon... Both IBM and Microsoft are the respective kings of patches, LA
fixes, and major product course corrections.
As
for the posting about MOM... MOM is a fantastic product...for monitoring
Windows infrastructures. In fact, I believe that it just won a best of
breed award. But the reality is that MOM is a Windows platform product.
It is a platform point solution that does it's tasks extraordinarily
well with minimal effort (comparatively speaking). There are and will be
more integration for the product to do other things across platforms, but the
following is unrealistic:
"I really think all Enterprises will move to MOM 2005 in 1.5-2
years."
Tivoli is a framework.
Unicenter is a framework. There are and will be more frameworks.
We live the life of implementers of frameworks. We do things with
frameworks that would be insane to attempt with a point solution.
However, some point solutions do things that would be ridiculous to do
with a framework. C'est la vie...
The technical
impracticalities of requested/required monitoring and management solutions are
such only as the respective tools force them to be. So when it comes to
the solutions that we must implement using our designated tools...there's
effort, time, training...etc.
But in our area of technology...the
facts, although interesting...are irrelevant.
Thanks,
Eric C. Jones
Enterprise Systems
Management
SSMT Tivoli Engineer, JP Morgan
Chase
614.213.6537
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I can't tell what the point of this statement is?
IBM manages the listserv and doesn't contribute much at all and they
make a ton of money from us all.
BTW - How many companies sell
services or products to shore shortcomings in Microsoft products?
Jason Shamroski
JP Morgan Chase
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Also, ITM is another reason why customers are turning to
external
consultants/experts to code ResourceModels to get back
functionality present
in DM. Notice that 1 or 2 companies are
dominating this list group. I
do recognize that they are
providing much valued input freely, but they are
also gaining much
recognition.
Rob
From:
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Date: 01/28/2005 08:06:34 PM
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[tme10] ITM
Hi list,
is it possible to distribute an custom
configurationfile together with a
Ressource Model Profile , like the
Distribution Action in DM3.7.
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