At the Planet Tivoli conference last fall,
for the first time I
heard IBM folks publically discuss how the
Framework is
a limiting factor to the kinds of things
they want to do. You
might try to find some of the conference
presentations to
gain some insight into where Tivoli is going.
The operative word seems to be: SOA
Loren Cain
Digicon
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Tu chez... but I gotta say...the idea of IBM/Tivoli
products being better outside of the framework makes ya' think and is kinda
morbidly funny...
Thanks,
Eric C. Jones
Enterprise
Systems Management
SSMT Tivoli
Engineer, JP Morgan Chase
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Exactely! The "point" in point solution
at this site stands for 96+% (Windows) of the installed base. So it's a big
point!
Tell me something, if Framework was such a good idea how come
the products I'm evaluating right now (TWS and ITMTP)
never have and propably never will run under Tivoli
Framework? And as a "consequence" both perform very well and are
excellent positioned.
Infact I haven't seen one single product (apart from ITM)
move to FW since I started in 1998, have you? When I started with Tivoli products they
where considered "good enough". I'm not so sure that is the case
right now.
To me it boils down to a focal point of alarm handling.
Frameworks or point solution does'nt really matter as long as the stability and
quality is in the right place.
Which clearly isn't the case with ITM today.
Time will tell if MOM 200? will replace ITM or not.
It sure will be an interesting journey.
/Gus
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Okay, I was gonna' let this ITM berating pass and die...but c'mon... Both
IBM and Microsoft are the respective kings of patches, LA fixes, and major
product course corrections.
As for the posting about MOM... MOM is a fantastic product...for
monitoring Windows infrastructures. In fact, I believe that it just won a
best of breed award. But the reality is that MOM is a Windows platform
product. It is a platform point solution that does it's tasks
extraordinarily well with minimal effort (comparatively speaking). There
are and will be more integration for the product to do other things across
platforms, but the following is unrealistic:
"I really think all Enterprises will move to MOM 2005 in 1.5-2 years."
Tivoli is a
framework. Unicenter is a framework. There are and will be more
frameworks. We live the life of implementers of frameworks. We do
things with frameworks that would be insane to attempt with a point solution. However,
some point solutions do things that would be ridiculous to do with a framework.
C'est la vie...
The technical impracticalities of requested/required monitoring and management
solutions are such only as the respective tools force them to be. So when
it comes to the solutions that we must implement using our designated
tools...there's effort, time, training...etc.
But in our area of technology...the facts, although interesting...are
irrelevant.
Thanks,
Eric C. Jones
Enterprise
Systems Management
SSMT Tivoli
Engineer, JP Morgan Chase
614.213.6537
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I can't tell what the point of this statement is?
IBM manages the listserv and doesn't contribute much at all and they make a ton
of money from us all.
BTW - How many companies sell services or products to shore shortcomings in
Microsoft products?
Jason Shamroski
JP Morgan Chase
Jason Shamroski
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Also, ITM is another reason why customers are
turning to external
consultants/experts to code ResourceModels to get
back functionality present
in DM. Notice that 1 or 2 companies are
dominating this list group. I
do recognize that they are providing much valued
input freely, but they are
also gaining much recognition.
Rob
From: owner-tme10-XtjxT7Vmt5b1ENwx4SLHqw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 01/28/2005 08:06:34 PM
Subject: [tme10] ITM
Hi list,
is it possible to distribute an custom
configurationfile together with a
Ressource Model Profile , like the Distribution Action
in DM3.7.
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