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Values to use for a salt?: msg#00010

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Subject: Values to use for a salt?

My understanding is that salts are used to help deter dictionary attacks where
the attacker has created a pre-hashed list of passwords and comparing them
against the actual hashed passwords. Using salts means the attacker must
compute all possible values of the password in the dictionary plus by the
possible salts, which makes it computationally unfeasable.

Someone suggested recently of using the password as the salt. I have never
seen this discussed before, and would like to get opinions of it. What would
be wrong with this, especially if it were altered in some way before being
used, such as using a simple replacement table to change letters to special
characters? This way, the salt would not have to be stored because it would be
a derivative of the password. How would this differ from the traditional
approach of generating a random salt and storing with the hashed password?

Also, how much less secure would it be to use a user ID as the salt instead of
a random salt that then has to be stored? I've been thinking about these, but
feel I am missing important ideas.

Thank you for any thoughts you can give.

-Craig


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