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Irman, why do you need USB? If you need it for slash drive then I would say we can use anything even build in once as long as it serves the purpuse _____ From: Imran K [mailto:gururug@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:02 PM To: Alex M Subject: Re: [m0n0wall-dev] Re: [m0n0wall] Support for hardware project I think the board should have USB ports... On 3/7/07, Alex M <radiussupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: Ok here is the list of all models by that manufacturer: http://www.lrcommunications.net/mono/WP54.pdf I just got reply and they offering me to use WP18 model. Will try to force them to bring price down. -----Original Message----- From: Lee Sharp [mailto: leesharp@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:30 AM Cc: 'Mono Dev List'; Monowall Support List Subject: [m0n0wall-dev] Re: [m0n0wall] Support for hardware project Jim Thompson wrote: > I'd answer, but ... that would be commercial, and this is a > non-commercial list. This is EXACTLY the type of "commercial" information that is appropriate to the list. You are not pushing your product, but providing on topic information. I fine line, but a significant one. As someone else with a commercial interest, I am not at all bothered by this post. > You may wish to take a serious look at how much of m0n0wall you're going > to be able to squeeze into that 4MB flash on the WP54, and how well > FreeBSD is going to run in 16MB of memory. Oh sure, you can put more > dram on the board, but it won't cost $75 then. This is now a deal breaker. I had not looked at the hardware at all when I expressed my interest. The amount of stripping to make it fit would make m0n0wall unacceptable. The amount of money to upgrade it to 16mb flash and 128mb ram would make it no longer cost effective. What I use as a currently available benchmark is a VIA based system. System board $115 http://www.directron.com/epia800.html Memory 128mb $16 Additional NIC $5 (Duel or quad port possible) Small Case $65 http://www.directron.com/2699r.html IDE Flash Drive $18 http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?ItemID=TS32MDOM40V Total $219 This system is small rock solid, very well performing, and readily available with no notice. The only failure I have had was someone who put a potted plant on top and over watered it. (Seriously...) To try something new, it would have to offer substantial advantages over this. That said, most of my systems are off-lease small form factor Dell systems. I pay between $50-$75 for the system, and add a nic. In this case, a smaller option for more money would be an advantage. Disclaimer. Directron is not my company. I am a customer. I have no financial interest in any company above. Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:m0n0wall-dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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>>linksys NSLU2 $90 (http://www.electronicsoutfitter.com/store/92992/ >>nslu2.html or amazon) >>or D-Link DSM-G600 ($134 on Amazon) You have to kill me to force me to use Dlink in industrial settings. From my experience consumer electronics from dlink usually dies within 1-3 years in industrial setups. Out 100 devices we bought from dlink we have 7 lefts that still kind of working. + Adding external USB network card and an not having ability to add good radio.... looks like broken DIY project. As to Freecom, I like that toy, but commercially wise I have no idea what is the point to use it? Its expansive, and it works fine (I hope) without monowall. It could be used for freeNAS but it alredy has its features so ...

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The list has very little activity anyway, I have little personal interest other than the possibility that this can further progress the usefulness of m0n0. My vote is to allow the commercial talk because I'm curious about how one might manufacture and market such a device. :) --Chris -----Original Message----- From: Alex M [mailto:radiussupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:00 AM To: 'Jim Thompson'; 'Mono Dev List' Subject: RE: [m0n0wall-dev] Re: [m0n0wall] Support for hardware project Valemont, is not the manufacturer of the board. Are you talking to lunny at VNC? Or actual manufacturer? Lunny buys at the agent said in "thousands" and his suppliers can sale the board retail for 72$ Why you considering bord as not good idea? Also I think we can get a bit commercial here, since its for the good of community after all. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Thompson [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:01 AM To: Alex M Cc: 'Mono Dev List'; Monowall Support List Subject: [m0n0wall-dev] Re: [m0n0wall] Support for hardware project On Mar 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Alex M wrote: > Good got one person on my side :-) > I actually want this type of pricing for the project: > > 75 - Board > 10- Power supply > 15 - Enclosure > Total: 100$ USD (could be less is retailers would go w/ lower margin) > > At than same time I want to negotiate w/ manufacturer so retailers > would buy > form them bulk at $50 per unit sale for 75 => margin 25 or 33% > (Netgate and > Ituner what do you think? [Sorry for no names :-P you should know me > though])I will have to speak to you though so we would agree that > you buy > enough so manufacturer will give us that discount I'd answer, but ... that would be commercial, and this is a non- commercial list. OK, the straight answer: we were already talking to them. (which is why I pointed out that Valemont is not a great source for the board.0 > Next, why I also want to have mono-AP project is because AP/Bridge and > router have different purposes, but I can stick with regular mono > conversion > and then push the AP project. > > As to the part that "krt" wrote... I don't really care about > collective > bargaining on Mini-PCI cards especially low level such as Intel-BG > 2200 they > too weak for enterprise use... go with 400-800mW cards. 800mW cards? Nobody makes one of those in "commercial" quantities. (There may be some in a lab somewhere.) If you retort with "ubiquiti" I will openly laugh. (You've been warned.) We've just invested a lot of time (and sat on several hundred boards while the FreeBSD developers got support in -CURRENT and then MFC-ed into 6.2, after supplying them with a set of zero-margin boards, so quite a bit of money) getting support for the ixp42x Xscale going. Gateworks builds a single miniPCI board that is approximately 'right' for a single-radio AP, so thats the current strategy. Until I get that shipping, I'm not going to invest much more than 'talk' in getting the WP54 running. You may wish to take a serious look at how much of m0n0wall you're going to be able to squeeze into that 4MB flash on the WP54, and how well FreeBSD is going to run in 16MB of memory. Oh sure, you can put more dram on the board, but it won't cost $75 then. Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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>>I think you're perhaps unprepared for the realities of what it would >>take to put together a 10,000 unit order in order >>to drive the pricing you've been quoted. Actually I thought more likely to have 20,000 units. That a big # for one supplier but if we combine many distributors we can get the quantity (yes for you then competition will be tougher) Let's say get 20 distributors with 1000 units PO for each. What is the time difference between NY and HI? Are you GMT -9? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Thompson [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: Alex M Cc: 'Mono Dev List' Subject: Re: [m0n0wall-dev] Re: [m0n0wall] Support for hardware project On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Alex M wrote: > Valemont, is not the manufacturer of the board. I'm sure I pointed that out. > Are you talking to lunny at VNC? No. > Or actual manufacturer? Yes. > Lunny buys at the agent said in "thousands" and his suppliers can > sale the board retail for 72$ > > Why you considering bord as not good idea? Also I think we can get > a bit > commercial here, since its for the good of community after all. I think the board represents a high degree of difficulty for a FreeBSD port. Its one thing to have a solution that is slightly too expensive (versus 'wishes'), its quite another to have no solution because its taking a long time to get FreeBSD running. (a pre-requisite for m0n0wall running, I might add.) I think the board is somewhat under-powered for FreeBSD. The 175MHz clockspeed might be OK, but the CPU can't address more than 4MB of flash without jumping through hoops (implementing segmentation). I think you're perhaps unprepared for the realities of what it would take to put together a 10,000 unit order in order to drive the pricing you've been quoted. Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: m0n0wall-dev-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx