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At 15:16 12/19/04, Geoff Sullivan wrote:
>In message
><5.1.1.6.0.20041219104315.009fea00-UThdrVIhI2DH2WqFuJo/X16hYfS7NtTn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> David
>Hamer <dhamer-clbcMvbmaQyOppBP9C4UkQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
>
>>My own museum [NCM] would love to have either or both of these items
>>and we have, half-jokingly, wondered about offering to take them if
>>they become 'orphans'...but again space, funding and a predictable
>>and justifiable outcry from the UK crypto community makes such a
>>offer unlikely :-))
>
>And this predictable outcry is based on what evidence from the UK crypto
>community?

Hi Geoff...

None...it's an extrapolation of the rightful indignation historically
expressed by both the general public and the indigenous art communities
of most countries when items of artistic, historic and cultural significance
are threatened with export...but perhaps you're implying that the crypto
community has no soul :-))

David


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In message <5.1.1.6.0.20041219104315.009fea00-UThdrVIhI2DH2WqFuJo/X16hYfS7NtTn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, David Hamer <dhamer-clbcMvbmaQyOppBP9C4UkQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes >My own museum [NCM] would love to have either or both of these items >and we have, half-jokingly, wondered about offering to take them if >they become 'orphans'...but again space, funding and a predictable >and justifiable outcry from the UK crypto community makes such a >offer unlikely :-)) And this predictable outcry is based on what evidence from the UK crypto community? geoff

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David, It is the very fact that the museum sounds 'intelligence' oriented that prompted me to suggest it as a possible home for Colossus and the Bombe. They certainly don't seem to be very much appreciated where they are. I know nothing more about this museum than what I read in Martin's post but I find it encouraging that the Duke of Edinburgh is its patron. As The Palace points out: "The Duke of Edinburgh takes a hands-on approach to the organizations which he represents". And I suspect the increased attention now being paid to virtually all aspects of intelligence might stimulate interest in preserving it's history. One can always hope. Dick

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In message <5.1.1.6.0.20041219104315.009fea00-UThdrVIhI2DH2WqFuJo/X16hYfS7NtTn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, David Hamer <dhamer-clbcMvbmaQyOppBP9C4UkQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes >My own museum [NCM] would love to have either or both of these items >and we have, half-jokingly, wondered about offering to take them if >they become 'orphans'...but again space, funding and a predictable >and justifiable outcry from the UK crypto community makes such a >offer unlikely :-)) And this predictable outcry is based on what evidence from the UK crypto community? geoff

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David, It is the very fact that the museum sounds 'intelligence' oriented that prompted me to suggest it as a possible home for Colossus and the Bombe. They certainly don't seem to be very much appreciated where they are. I know nothing more about this museum than what I read in Martin's post but I find it encouraging that the Duke of Edinburgh is its patron. As The Palace points out: "The Duke of Edinburgh takes a hands-on approach to the organizations which he represents". And I suspect the increased attention now being paid to virtually all aspects of intelligence might stimulate interest in preserving it's history. One can always hope. Dick
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