Beau- EXACTLY. I also started looking last night. Wouldn't there be
some record of a lawsuit to be found somewhere? And I imagine any
sort of controversy surrounding a successful Martin Scorsese film
would be talked about in the press, hence leaving some trail on the
internet?
Larry Dunn- I just find it hard to believe that JF would agree to
settle and allow someone else take credit for his work... especially
considering the accolades that Minion received for his "very clever
script" That paycheck would have to be pretty f--king fat. Besides,
as I understand it, plagiarism is not something a writer takes
lightly. And as Erik Shirokoff mentioned, why would Minion market
his original screenplay with the very same title as Joe's show (Lies)?
Now if Larry Block did begin working with Joe before "After Hours"
was filmed and produced, but after the show "Lies" had aired, then
Mr. Block may know something he isn't talking about. Enquiring minds
want to know.
Levent- If we are to accept the possibility that Joseph Minion is in
fact Joe Frank, then lets take a quick look at the name Minion.
Which means "an underling of a powerful person" hmmm... I watched
some of Minion's other films... "Vampire's Kiss" and "Motorama" and
while not as well directed as "After Hours" they are both dark,
comedic tales reminiscent of JF's style. Merely the work of an
enamored sycophant, or are there more sinister forces at work?
Given the fact that the original "No Show" where Joe discusses this
issue is currently unavailable on the website, I would like to
petition joefrank.com to include the unedited version of the show in
this months offering. I believe some of us would very much like to
revisit that episode, as well as those of us who were not fortunate
enough to have heard it before.
On Jul 24, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Beau Gunderson wrote:
I looked around FindLaw and some California and New York law sites and
couldn't find the lawsuit anywhere.
If you google for '"joe frank" "joseph minion"' you get no results,
which is
kind of weird.
'"Joe Frank" "after dark"' gives some results but none of them are
relevant
to this Joe Frank or this After Hours.
I am more and more curious.
Beau.
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Any idea what fills the extra 30 minutes on the two hour program?
I've
never heard mention of it before. The 90 minute version has the
story in
it.
I'm also surprised to hear Larry was in the that film. Very strange
coincidence.
According to IMDB, the original script title was "Lies (USA),"
which is
almost too silly to believe. What sort of lunatic directly copies
whole
passages of dialog from a work and then also copies *the title*?
Makes one
wonder if the story in No Show is true or if there isn't something
else
going on.
Joseph Minion has writer credits for six or seven films, and
there's at
least one interview floating around. One can't be sure, but he
sounds like
a real person, despite the name.
According to the WFMU FAQ, Larry first appears in Joe's titled
programs in
Pilot (1983), although he may have participated in the WBAI stuff
before
that. (Anyone know?) Lies was 1982, No Show 1986. After Hours was
released
in 1985. What does that tell us? Not much, really. I imagine
Larry could
clarify if he felt it appropriate to fill us in.
-Erik
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There seems to be three versions "somewhere out there " .
1 hour
1.5 hour
2.0 hour..
While I find myself interested in this thread and I LOVD the movie
After
Hours - -saw it way before I ever knew of Joe Frank.... Which is
these
shows should I listen to has the scoop
Bob Lee
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