Re: 2.5.5 release soon

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:53:03 +0300, Ron <ron@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[...]
> That Robin shields you from this moving target seems to be what you
> attribute to 'glue'.

One more reason for me to admire Robin ;)

> When libwx stops doing this we can call it stable, and only then can
> we realistically start to count the number of remaining bugs and
> assess its suitability for production use.  Its got nothing to do with
> being perfect, but there is a little more finesse involved than just
> drawing a line in the sand and calling it release day.
>
> There are a lot more factors at play than you so far give credit to.

What can I say... I am naive ;)

> I'll take a good and fair 'king' over a bureau of thugs any day, but you
> can't have it both ways.  You either need to dictate or listen.  I
> haven't seen too many swords pulled from rocks around here lately :-)

You can listen and dictate when necessary ;) as for the swords... I liked  
the one pulled by Mark Shuttleworth last october ;)

> > I don't understand how project management issues can "degrade into a
> > flaming tornado of death" when is crystal clear,
>
> Subscribe to wx-dev and give it a whirl ...   But its on your own neck
> if you do.  I won't feed that fire.

no thank you :)

> > at least in my view, the
> > fact that Robin has the best overview of the wx project since he works
> > full time on it, his opinion should weight a lot more that the opinion  
> > of
> > any other developer.
>
> Even if it is dumb?   That is just stupid.  His opinion should weigh on
> its own merit.  There are plenty of reasons that Robin's opinion is well
> received by many, including myself, without needing to stoop to such
> shallow means of picking an arbiter.

There are people that lead and people that follow, I'm one of those follow  
people. As a matter of fact I kinda hate leading, too much  
responsibility... i feel way more comfortable as a bee ;) i think it has  
something to do with my personality type ;)
Also... a flock without a shepherd is at risk because sometimes strength  
comes from being together and having someone to look at, someone who in  
turn will look for us. This doesn't mean that people should follow every  
"dumb" leader wannabe BUT 1. Robin is not dumb, 2. he proved, at least to  
me, that he can do it. Also, I never meant to pick Robin simply because he  
works full time on wx BUT because he has the best overview.

[...]
> But that takes real leadership, and real vision.  The trouble with
> dictators these days is they all seem to want to come into the job
> straight out of school.  Who's going to unite behind a stand-up
> dictator with nothing of substance to dictate?

Valid points but... i don't see how they apply to Robin. :)

> If you want to change this, there will need to be a coup.  Whether or
> not it is bloodless will show whether or not you were qualified to
> lead it... :-)

I don't want to lead anything :) it was just a humble suggestion.

> If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.

:) that's a good one, I'm not an anarchist but looking at my country... I  
couldn't agree more :)

>   Ron

Peter.