Re: What's installed by default on _Panther_?

At 12:36 AM -0400 5/25/04, Bob Ippolito wrote:
> On May 25, 2004, at 12:22 AM, Glenn Andreas wrote:
>
> > So what's on _Panther_ (10.3)  by default?
>
> Python 2.3.0
>   - all of the extensions you would typically expect
>       - except for readline and waste
>   - with the addition of the closed-source CoreGraphics SWIG wrapper 
> from Apple
>
> Waste is best obtained from the MacPython 2.3 additions from Jack's 
> official MacPython page, and readline can be easily acquired via 
> PackageManager or pimp (with or without the additions, respectively)

So now my question is why is PackMan & IDE source installed when 
Waste, which is required to use them, isn't?  My underlying problem 
is that if somebody installs and runs PyOXIDE without having PyObjC 
installed (as would be the case of a fresh clean install), it doesn't 
work - I was going to have an alert to tell them to use PackMan to 
install it (since that works nice and simple), but in this case the 
probably won't have waste installed either, so they can't do that.

I guess I'll just provide a way for the user to use pimp directly to 
install PyObjC.  Is it's API stable enough for generic third parties 
to use it?  I suppose I could also bundle it with PyOXIDE, but I'd 
rather have an "official" version installed in the system, in case of 
bug fixes in that version.


> > (And any guesses as to what we'll see in Tiger in a month?)
>
> Even if I knew, which I don't, it probably shouldn't be talked about 
> here (since anyone who gets to see it next month is under NDA).
>
> In any case, I'm hoping that whatever Tiger's preview has is 
> flexible, because we still don't have the -undefined dynamic_lookup 
> patches into CVS HEAD, let alone the 2.3 tree.. I really really 
> really really really really really would like to have that stuff in 
> 10.4 because
> Fatal Python Error: Interpreter Not initialized (version mismatch?)

Sorry - not asking for NDA violation, rather more along of the second 
comment - what would reasonable to expect and other concerns and 
desires to be able to bring to them during WWDC (and any suggestions 
about who to talk to help make this happen).

For example, I'd love to see PyObjC included, but is it stable enough 
& "license compatible" for that to happen?  Or  for that matter, 
having Python be part of the base install (instad of the optional BSD 
install so we  would know that we could safely write 
(pre/post)installer scripts in Python instead of some other 
abomination).

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Glenn Andreas                      gandreas@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
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