Re: R: Scrum and RUP

On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 5:48:53 PM, Adriano Comai wrote:

> To Ken:
> I have seen the XP Plug-in, but I haven't analyzed it. If your question
> means "how good it describes XP principles and practices", I'm not able to
> give an answer.

> To Ron:
> But you seem rather skeptical about it.

I think it describes XP fairly well given the constraints of the medium. But I
don't feel that it gives the flavor of XP, its values and so on.

> [AC]
> There has been some debate about it in the extremeprogramming mailing list,
> about 2 months ago. I remember Ron denying the Plugin lost XP soul. On the
> other hand, I'm not sure how wide the distribution of the RUP Plug-in for XP
> may have been, up to now.
> 
> To Ron:
> It's true, less process cannot become a goal for Rational-IBM. But a more
> effective process is a goal for many users of the RUP, both developers and
> managers.

The managers and spokespeople whom I have spoken with and sat on panels with and
the like all give lip service to light weight and agility. Then they say "But
..." and go on to say that you need more design, more this, more that.

I don't expect that behavior to decline.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
One test is worth a thousand expert opinions.
  -- Bill Nye (The Science Guy)


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