R: Scrum and RUP

Alan,

having been involved in many RUP customizations, I think RUP_Scrum makes
sense (much more, in my opinion, than RUP-XP).
RUP needs _exactly_ the Scrum practices to become agile.

As you know, many shops with an existing waterfall culture buy RUP as an
help to move towards a more effective development approach, and then misuse
it. We can show them papers about RUP failures and antipatterns, such as
that by Larman and Krutchen. Still better, we can help them with effective
practices, the ones from Scrum, that can be used to avoid those traps.

Adriano Comai
www.analisi-disegno.com

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Alan Shalloway [mailto:alshall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Inviato: domenica 15 dicembre 2002 22.03
> A: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Oggetto: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Scrum and RUP
>
>
> I certainly would not try to do RUP-XP.  That "marriage" never made
> sense to me and still doesn't.  I also agree that the powers that be at
> Rational seem to miss the point of agile.  However, the Rational
> consultants (or at least several I've talked to) do get agile.
>
> I have also had the sentiment that "If I had my way, it would
> not have happened. But if 'twere done, 'twere best done well."  The
> problem with many RUP projects is that many times the dev team want to
> be agile while management wants to do RUP.  They don't really even care
> so much about agile, but are following a mandate from above about RUP.
>
> I know how I can make RUP agile, but I don't know how I can do XP under
> RUP.  Also, I personally don't think doing XP is so important - doing
> agile is.  XP is merely one of many ways to be agile.
>
> Alan Shalloway, Sr. Consultant, CEO
> office: 425-313-3065. mobile: 425-531-0810


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