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RE: Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce: msg#00035programming.scrum.general
I think the popularity of waterfall is that everything degrades into waterfall model to some extent. I've only got one brain (and it only works half the time) and I've only got two hands so I just half to do things sequentially. When Boehm first introduced the spiral model (a big step toward agility at the time) it was criticized because one could "unroll the spiral" and be back at waterfall. At an extreme (perhaps at the level of a day or more likely hours) we could say Scrum is a series of waterfall activities: -Meet in the morning and chose work --talk to Product Owner and fill in missing knowledge --design it (in your head perhaps) --code it --unit test --etc. Depending on how you think about it and do it, though, these steps happen hourly, daily, or maybe month-long (the full sprint). Even a fairly extreme shift like Kent Beck's Test-Driven Development is a waterfall to some extent: find a requirement, write a test (that fails), write the code, retest, refactor. All repeated on a scale of minutes. Waterfall retains its popularity because at some level ALL other processes look like a waterfall. I hate the over-used "paradigm shift" but there really is a shift in one's thinking that has to occur before really seeing that yes, of course, things happen "sequentially" but they are also happening all at once. And the feedback from the chaotic events are influencing the activities you're just starting. I've talked with a number of managers about Scrum and they claim to get it and then implement it as a series of waterfall steps. For example, spend the first week of a sprint "refining requirements", then two weeks coding then one week testing. I've actually used this to my advantage in introducing Scrum to groups. If I have a group that thinks they "get it" but are still thinking a little too sequentially I phase Scrum in. We'll start with a "Requirements Capture Sprint" (2-4 weeks). This is just like a regular sprint but we're really after finding out more about requirements. Then we do an "Analysis and Design Sprint" (2-4 weeks). By now the team is getting into the rhythm of sprints and are starting to see self-organization and a little bit of emergence. I stress that they don't need to "finish" requirements capturing or analysis/design during those sprints, just get enough done that they're ready to code. I promise we'll do another Requirements Capture or Analysis and Design sprint later if necessary (it almost never is!). Then we start an Implementation Sprint. Finally, that's the real thing and is pretty much what Scrum is meant to be. By now the team is usually very accustomed to this way of working and the project rhythm is established. We plan to do a couple of Implementation Sprints and then another Analysis & Design Sprint and that gives them comfort. But when something comes up the team usually decides they can handle the analysis/design work within the context of an Implementation (normal) Sprint. This all works because it starts out feeling like there's a waterfall or sequentiality to the work that makes many managers feel comfortable. By the time they notice though the rug is pulled out and they're doing a little requirements, a little design, a little coding, all together at once. --Mike -----Original Message----- From: Adriano Comai [mailto:comai@xxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:51 AM To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: R: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce Ken, this is a concrete example of what I mean for "agile". In my opinion, agile means not only small releases and timeboxing, not only frequent feedback, not only creativity and self organization. Yes, in most cases direct communication is better than documentation (to simplify a complex problem). But the core of agility is: given a concrete situation, with concrete constraints (as the presence of existing management reporting practices in an organization), which is the best way to effectiveness, to achieve the success of the project? How to overcome those constraints? We are seldom in ideal situations, where all the agile practices can be used without any constraint (Paul's is certainly one of these non ideal situations). But we must deal with them, in the best realistic way. I think most of "agile" comes simply after "experience". Of what works, of what does not work. Waterfall is simple, and sounds effective to those who have not had the experience of its drawbacks. Now we know it's not effective, after experience. After the experience of 32 years of software development, and of waterfall problems, I guess Winston Royce in 2002 would not write the same paper. (You are anyway right, it's nonsense to say that the 1970 paper from Royce "contained many of the elements and, perhaps, even the essence of agility"). Adriano Comai www.analisi-disegno.com > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Ken Schwaber [mailto:ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Inviato: venerdi 13 dicembre 2002 1.30 > A: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Oggetto: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce [...] > minimize the disruption. For instance, management > reporting. Absolutely a difficult item to tackle. I usually recommend that > existing management reporting be kept totally intact, overhead > and all, and > that Scrum reporting be added to it. During review meetings, review the > "real" progress on the Scrum reports. Eventually, management gets > comfortable with these reports AND the actual progress demonstrated at the > Sprint reviews. But this is a "win them over" not "kill them with > how right > I am" approach. Management is threatened enough by ScrumMaster and them > "helping" the teams rather than telling the teams what to do. And then we > turn them out of their offices and turn the office into a team > design room. > Wow! That's difficult change! > Ken To Post a message, send it to: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: scrumdevelopment-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To Post a message, send it to: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: scrumdevelopment-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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