RE: Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce

Whenever documentation is used instead of face-to-face communication, it is
a chance for misunderstanding and failure to communicate. Nobody writes or
models precisely enough to include all possible details, and there is the
chance for moving forward incorrectly. Not to mention the wasted effort
writing something that is going to go out of date the moment the first
change comes in (unless you prohibit changes, not always a good idea with
changing requirements and complex technology). So the only documentation
that I like is work-in-progress, used to think through an idea,
documentation UNLESS the documentation will be used by others to create a
vision (marketing), operate the system, or user documentation. 1000 pages of
spec is just asking for trouble.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul [mailto:horked_noodle@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:03 PM
To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce


Kidding aside, what is the real take on the 1000 page
spec?
Dr. Royce said a 1000 page spec is appropriate and
David said it's reasonable, but isn't this totally
wrong approach to agile?
Why spec so much?
I loathe the waterfall methodology.  We have one
manager trying to push it at my company.  He's winning
the battle.

--- Ken Schwaber <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Great. Where do I apply?
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cohn
> [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:54 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
>
>
> According to
>
http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/research/data/us/calc/
>
> $5 million in 1970 is $23M today
> and
> Ken should be making $55,515 a year.
>
> --Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schwaber [mailto:ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
>
> Let's see. In 1970 I was being paid $12,000 a year
> by the University of
> Chicago. At the same markup (factor of 30), I should
> be making $360,000
> per
> year. Who wants to contribute to the cause??
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David J. Anderson
> [mailto:netherby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:12 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
>
>
> What would $5MM be in today's money? My guess is
> around $150MM.
>
> I'd say a 1000 page specification for a $150MM
> project
> would be decidedly agile.
>
> David
> --
> David Anderson
> http://www.uidesign.net/
> The Webzine for Interaction Designers
>
> --- "Ken Schwaber <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx>"
> <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Documentation - Dr. Royce, "My own view is quite a
> lot...the first
> rule of managing software development is ruthless
> enforcement of
> documentation requirements ... Management of
> software
> is simply
> impossible without a very high degree of
> documentation." Dr. Royce
> indicates that a 1000 page spec document is
> appropriate for a $5m
> project, mostly because "a verbal record is too
> intangible."
>
>
>
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