RE: Waterfall and Dr. Winston Royce

Kidding aside, what is the real take on the 1000 page
spec?
Dr. Royce said a 1000 page spec is appropriate and
David said it's reasonable, but isn't this totally
wrong approach to agile?
Why spec so much?
I loathe the waterfall methodology.  We have one
manager trying to push it at my company.  He's winning
the battle.

--- Ken Schwaber <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Great. Where do I apply?
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cohn
> [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:54 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
> 
> 
> According to
>
http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/research/data/us/calc/
> 
> $5 million in 1970 is $23M today
> and
> Ken should be making $55,515 a year.
> 
> --Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Schwaber [mailto:ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
> 
> Let's see. In 1970 I was being paid $12,000 a year
> by the University of
> Chicago. At the same markup (factor of 30), I should
> be making $360,000
> per
> year. Who wants to contribute to the cause??
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David J. Anderson
> [mailto:netherby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:12 PM
> To: scrumdevelopment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Waterfall and Dr.
> Winston Royce
> 
> 
> What would $5MM be in today's money? My guess is
> around $150MM.
> 
> I'd say a 1000 page specification for a $150MM
> project
> would be decidedly agile.
> 
> David
> --
> David Anderson
> http://www.uidesign.net/
> The Webzine for Interaction Designers
> 
> --- "Ken Schwaber <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx>"
> <ken.schwaber@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Documentation - Dr. Royce, "My own view is quite a
> lot...the first
> rule of managing software development is ruthless
> enforcement of
> documentation requirements ... Management of
> software
> is simply
> impossible without a very high degree of
> documentation." Dr. Royce
> indicates that a 1000 page spec document is
> appropriate for a $5m
> project, mostly because "a verbal record is too
> intangible."
> 
> 
> 
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