Re: eastern/zen/gongfu and XP

Reminds me of what Ron said in Calgary this year:

"The practices are not XP, the practices are how you learn XP."


On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:28:15 -0800, John Goodsen 
<jgoodsen-Ft5HhTtJyqRBDgjK7y7TUQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  Ron Jeffries writes:
>  >
>  > I become more and more sure that XP is /not/ "do
>  > these N things all the
>  > time". Yet I remain strong in the feeling that there
>  > is a "thing" that I'm
>  > doing.
>  >
>  >
>  
>  and Forrest Chang  writes:
>  
>  >   I see this related to the shu ha ri thing,
>  > beginner's need the guidelines, skilled practioners do
>  > not.  Thoughts at the skilled level can be not
>  > applicable to the beginner and sometimes confusing.
>  >
>  
>  This sounds a lot like the 3 levels of listening model as well.
>  You see it all the time when a person is developing skills.
>  
>  At level 1, there are definitely "things" we do.  It's the recipe
>  that is used to introduce us to the activity.  We follow the recipe
>  consistently and eventually want to vary the recipe (level 2).
>  Eventually you evolve to level 3 where you are not really
>  conscious of the specific detailed decisions you are making,
>  you are "just doing it" - you are a guru/master in the skill.
>  
>  You can read more on the wiki at
>  
>  http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThreeLevelsOfAudience
>  
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