Re: Re: Will we have ( a sort of italic ) value in Socialism ?

The ruling class would love to see all the workers just reading and 
studying science fictions, in order to keep their minds in the clouds, 
and living on fantasies, similar to Disneyland,  it will serve the same 
purpose as religion, which keep mankind hoping for a better life above 
the clouds, and also workers will never obtain a socialist education and 
the capitalist system will run forever


balmer_dave wrote:
>
> Hi Paula
>
> I had forgotten that Richmal Crompton had written the Just William
> books, had to check it out on wikipedia. I hadn't realised that she
> was a North Manchester person. I had read some of the Just William
> books in my youth.
>
> I have read some of Phillip K stuff, "Do Androids Dream of Electric
> Sheep" of Bladerunner fame, another one that I can't remember and a
> book of his short stories that included the "Total Recall" story
> although it was called something else someone told me not be
> recently.
>
> I think that although Philip K Dick was clearly off his head, he had
> been in the communist party and there is some of that kind of stuff
> in his material I think and I suppose it makes it interesting for
> that. I believe the block busting sci fi films, Bladerunner, Total
> Recall, The Matrix and Minority Report are all based on his stuff.
>
> If I remember rightly this came out in a discussion a few years ago
> at a Birmingham school. We were talking about "Socialist Mesaages"
> in film. Paddy, cleverly I think, was arguing that there was
> something in the films Total Recall and The Matrix. It was clever in
> my opinion because he didn't know that Total Recall was based on a
> Philip K Dick short story and that he had been a communist of some
> type. I think it started off with a discussion on the Sparticus film
> of Kirk Douglas fame that obviously had commie paw prints all over
> it. But then again I don't have total recall myself.
>
> I only found out recently that The Matrix was based on a Philip K
> Dick idea that he presented at some Sci Fi convention or something.
> I think most of the stuff of his that I have read, not much,
> revolves around things not being what they seem to be etc. Like with
> Bladerunner and Decker not realising that he is in fact himself a
> replicant, possibly. But who knows as you yourself are not supposed
> to, like in The Matrix.
>
> As you mention it, I generally don't like science fiction much, I
> have probably only read about 20 in my life. However I have a friend
> who is a sci-fi fan and she talked me into writing something with
> her.
>
> As I think most sci fi books are written like comics I thought it
> might not be too difficult to turn out something mediocre.
>
> I think taking Anti Duhring on holiday with you is not such a bad
> idea. You could pretend to read it while sat by the pool and people
> might think you are clever. Maybe that or "Anthropogenesis, A Study
> of The Origin of Man" by Anton Pannekoek.
>
> Although as a bit of a suffragette type yourself, like Ricmal, you
> might object to part of the
> title
>
> --- In WSM_Forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:WSM_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> Paula McEwan <pmce@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dave
> >
> > What is your novel about?
> >
> > I have a copy of Anti Duhring, because it has previously been
> > recommended to me. I prefer reading Philip K Dick and Richmal
> > Crompton, so I may never get around to reading it. I'm going on
> > holiday, and I'm not taking Anti Duhring with me.
> >
> > Paula
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22 Aug 2006, at 18:27, balmer_dave wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for that post Lillia.
> > >
> > > I have been reading Anti Duhring and there is some really
> > > interesting stuff in part II and III on this kind of stuff about
> > > labour vouchers or Owens labour certificates and what socialism
> > > might be like etc. Its fairly readable. I think there is some
> > > parecon relevant stuff there as well for those interested in that
> > > kind of stuff.
> > >
> > > I think this book should be alot further up the reading list
> than it
> > > is. The crap in the first 150 pages may have put many off,
> although
> > > i found fairly interesting for self amusing reasons.
> > >
> > > I am attempting to take a different propogandist approach at the
> > > moment by arrogating to myself the ability to write a novel with
> > > someone else. So I am busy doing other stuff at the moment, so
> some
> > > may be pleased to hear that I may not be posting much.
> >
> >
> >
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