Re: Re: Realism and Socialism

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From: "Lillia Frantin" <ldfcomment@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WSM_Forum] Re: Realism and Socialism


>I think the discussion of "stock socialist analysis" being inadequate for 
>'explaining" Serbia, (or Ireland or Iraq or Latin America or the unending 
>supply of tragic African states for that matter ) comes because of the 
>noose we are put into by the Capitalist puppeteers...that is, "we" must
> try to find some way to rationally understand,  handle and extricate the 
> victims of these vicious and brutal projects ...wars and 'internal' 
> violent struggles paid for, support and created by the Capitalist class's 
> hired guns.... We try to enter the "picture" at the height of this inhuman 
> folly with some sense of "reason" !! And, guess what, we can't!! So, yes, 
> our "stock socialist analysis" may seem "abstract" because our tails are 
> already caught in the rats trap they've set for all of us.....especially 
> inticing to intellectuals who know the history of the various areas (which 
> are, guess what, divided and strife-ridden, and POOR!!!)  When the smoke 
> clears, the "system" comes in, takes control of the mess, the broken 
> countries, cultures, infrastructures, the debilitated victims weak and 
> confused......and sets up a new Capitalist economic order...WHEN THAT 
> REGION BECOMES NEEDED< BECOMES PROFITABLE...and not one minute sooner)
> Why are we deriding each others attempts at trying to make "sense" of 
> Serbia, Croatia or any of the messes that the Capitalists create 
> INTENTIONALLY around the globe??.....Of course our attempts are 
> inadequate....the "issue" too complex to explain 'in nuanced detail"...BUT 
> THE UNDERLYING REASONS FOR THESE STRUGGLES ARE APPARENT FOR ANY 
> INTELLIGENT, INFORMED PERSON (socialist) TO SEE>>>IT IS SYSTEMIC< THE 
> WINNERS ARE SET UP IN ADVANCE TO BENEFIT THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM AND THE 
> CAPITALIST OWNING CLASS.  THE LOSERS ARE THE (unclass-conscious and 
> unorganized and victimized) WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. The natural evolution of 
> each of these areas has been thwarted and interfered with and ruined,  by 
> empires new and old. Progressive politics, unions, organizations have been 
> systematically destroyed year after year. Hopelessness has given rise to 
> tribalism, religious divisions. Even as interrelated a society as that of 
> Yugoslavia was torn asunder by the fear of lost economic well-being and 
> the promise of "quick wealth"thru
> plunder. In each region,  natural resources have been stripped, even 
> development of early capitalism & a bourgoisie have been deferred and 
> strangled. This is not something we have to "understand" in every 
> detail.....we know it 'historically' to be true, world-wide. Those who 
> decry the acurate analysis of history as "stock" have to answer the 
> questions without reference to these realities. Can they? Is there any 
> REAL debate? The Capitalist system has, and continues, to run roughshod 
> over the world's peoples causing so much unnecessary misery. Is there any 
> other thing we really need to know?   Lillia
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We have to accept that capitalism occasionally throws up "madnesses" 
(racism, suicide bombings, genocide, religious extremism etc), that 
sometimes defy analysis--at least simple ones--which wouldn't occur in a 
socialist society.

     Julian Vein