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Avoidance and Conspiracy Theorists

Avoidance and Conspiracy Theorists Just like my commentary about Wikis not being created equal neither are conspiracy theories. Conspiracies have a twisted appeal to just about everyone because no one can know everything but when you tie all the coincidences together you can see how conspiracies become the glue that connects the dots. It connects the coincidences together. Paxdora thinks I took down her Wiki comments about conspiracism because she believes in them and I don't, but nothing could be further from the truth, and it isn't a conspiracy Paxdora that caused your links to destruct and any paranoia you might have about the removal of your remarks are not without reason and it was not done intentionally because I didn't like what you said. Folks who know me here know I have not censored their views, even when they disagreed with mine (But I do want people who use my servers to follow basic rules). To make your conspiracy work you have to believe I did it because I do not agree with you. That part you can take to the bank. That is, I do not agree with you. But that is not the reason you have had your access denied and some of your pages removed. Paxdora, you don't read. At least twice you removed comments above the line. The instructions were simple. It said, "Do not remove or alter comments above" and you did it anyway. You didn't just do it once. You did it twice and you reverted page more than twice. usually twice is enough. And why or how you deleted your internal links I still haven't figured out. Of course there are some real conspiracies. Otherwise we would not have laws against combinations and anti-trust laws against collective decisions to control prices. And we know the Jews control Hollywood and the media. Just ask anyone. We know the Freemasons are Jewish power brokers, and we know the Pope tells Catholic presidents what to do. We know that Ike was a communist. Ask the John Birchers. See http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/CriticismOfConspiracism and the links there for some very good articles about conspiracies. There is a real twisted appeal to all manner of conspiracies. America needs it's conspiracies. The LEFT does not. The Right needs Waco, Ruby Ridge, the CIA crack connection, the death of Clinton aide, Vince Foster (who it was finally admitted from the investigation that it was a suicide) and the X-files. And not to forget Area 51 and JFK, and we never walked on the moon. My son saw that one on television (I think they made a movie) and he said, "Hey dad, did you know we never went to the moon?" The lawyer for Timothy McVeigh tried to sell an elaborate conspiracy how the bombing in Oklahoma City was orchestrated by foreign terrorists. Of course it was Tim McVeigh, not al-Qaeda but there were many who wanted to believe his attorney. Some people, like Paxdora, do not even realize they're being manipulated. And in spite of the denial that they do, conspiracy theories do serve political agendas. It serves the right's purpose to have everyone believe that a very sinister few people are masterminding everything in order to rule the world. One of the best books I read about this paranoia was historian Richard Hofstadter's "Paranoid Style in American Politics," written many years ago and still relevant. Lately there have been a spate of new books debunking conspiracies. I have read reviews of several of them. Some are from a few authors, who while brilliant and very insightful, are not well considered by the left because they are too supportive of Israel. It is too bad because Pipes is a masterful writer and very informed. But he isn't the only one writing about conspiracism and very critical of conspiracies and those who promote them. Almost the entire Middle-East problem between Islam and the West is based on acceptance of false conspiracies spoon-fed to Muslims by their clerics and rulers. Chip Berlet, who is a left wing activist and journalist, is the leading critic and an exceptional writer ON THE LEFT who wrote "Right Woos Left" and other critiques which if you haven't read, you should do so. See http://publiceye.com/ Why are Americans especially so paranoid? I had the great fortune and privilege to work in the White House. I consider it an honor that I did and have no regrets because the president at the time was Ike and _I Like Ike_.. Remember that phrase? Maybe you don't, but there were buttons made which said that and my mother liked him and he was a good person to work for. When I worked in the War Room, it was not as pleasurable but it was my lot in life to be chosen to be in those places. I'd like to say it was because of my intellect, but I think it was more because I was the ideal candidate when chosen for that job; I did very good on all my exams and ham radio was my hobby since I 14. And I had finished 3 years in a military school so I was the ideal patriotic military type. Anyway I can tell you there were no conspiracies in those high towers of government. None. I heard all the conversations because that was part of my job. I was the voice-security expert and that is what I did. Conspiracy was just something others said about what was being done - but unless I was missing something very basic, it was all business of running the country and a few people were in charge. They didn't receive subliminal messages nor real calls over the phone or radio nor on the crypto machines to tell them what to do. These Right-Wing talk show hosts talk conspiracy BS everyday. Have you ever turned them on? Of course you have. Everyone does. Some are fixated on what they say, as if they have the real inside scoop on what is happening. Free speech is a wonderful thing, but that aside, these right wing nuts, with an audience, do a lot of harm. And we are in a sorry state of affairs when a majority of the population of America feels threatened. It doesn't help when the office of Home Land Defense keeps issuing warnings that we are being attacked. Maybe there are threats but wouldn't you rather they took care of it without telling us all the time, when there isn't a damn thing we could do anyway because we're not the ones who would do anything. If anything someone may load their guns and have an itchy trigger finger next time the teenage kids come home late. The Bush administration does not help, because "yelling wolf" so many times does more to fuel the paranoia than anything and you know Bush W. is a conspiracist. He believes in Armageddon and if that isn't conspiracy theory, I don't know the meaning of the term. And there have been real cover-ups and the FBI has spied on many radical and other domestic peace and justice, anti-establishment organizations. We all remember COINTELPRO. That was real. Vietnam veterans were spied on. Is that a conspiracy or the government's business as usual? I say it is the way they do business and that is the way we MUST look at it. The CIA gets down in the gutter, just like cops everywhere and they do things which are not what you expect. They work with informers who are gutter scum and some say those are conspiracies. Any sting is a conspiracy. It is a cover-up and we have the mechanism to deal with it. There are many instances of the misuse of power. The constitution guarantees rights but they often have to be fought for. That is the purpose of the left. About 400 African-Americans (men) with syphilis were untreated for 40 years as part of the Tuskegee study and the government never apologized until just recently. That was a conspiracy of silence because it covered up the real facts of the wrong-doing. The problem with criticizing critics of conspiracism while considering wrong-doing conspiracies, when they are the natural way of governments doing their business to protect wealth is misleading and diversionary for the left which must oppose power and privilege which leads to this coverup and wrong-doing in the first place. It is much easier for the Right to adopt conspiracies about everything and play the blame game. They do that by blaming Jews, African-Americans, Immigrants and all those people who are as much the victims of skewed policies as those on the right are. The first objective is always to SEEK THE TRUTH. And then Seek Justice ("dirshu mishpat"). Here is why conspiricies do more harm than they explain anything: Conspiracymongers cause it to be difficult for those of us who are seeking the truth. Conspiracists play the blame game. They damage credibility of government institutions. They raise the level of cynicism. The exposes which have appears in the mainstream media has in many instances been flawed in their endeavor to make the case for blame. Fair and balanced is not something you find much of in the news nor especially, not on the interNUT. I remember how the left said, "We told you" so when the journalist in the San Jose Mercury News reported that there had been an undeniable connection to the spread of crack in the inner cities and the CIA's involvement. You all remember that, right? But it was afterwards that the San Jose Mercury News admitted that that those articles which it had reported and were picked up by everyone, from left to right and repeated everywhere, as it usually is on the net; well, they were SIGNIFICANTLY FLAWED, so said the San Jose Mercury News. Do you know how many letters I get all the time about my essays on the U.S.S. Liberty, how it was "friendly fire" and not intentional at all. And tapes have even been released (just recently) which attest to that fact, and it is still disbelieved because these same people, mostly on the right, but also on the left, WANT (no NEED) to blame the Israelis. Nothing quite diminishes the appeal of these outlandish conspiracy theories. Why is that? They fill a primary need to play the blame game. Paxdora needs to play the blame game. She is a pansien. She believes in many gods and I don't mean to belittle her belief structure, but come on --- belief in many is safer than belief in one. AND belief in conspiracy is safe because it is some kind of answer, even if it is the wrong one. Even if it is wrong. As I hope I have said before, believing in conspiracies really does fill an urgent need for people to AVOID admitting the most obvious answers of them all, that SHIT HAPPENS! Hank Roth http://pnews.org/ --- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Wiki) http://pnews.org/ (Home) -DON'T FEED THE TROLLS- ============================================================= \_/ \_/

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Conspiracy Mania

As I was walking up the stair, I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd go away --Author unknown The Cancer of Conspiracism Has Begun to Metastasize Conspiracy Mania There isn't much that goes on anywhere that isn't part of some huge conspiracy. That is how Americans believe. I couldn't believe the statistics I heard recently about how so many in America believe in Evangelical Christianity. It was a huge figure and over 90 percentile believed in God. And it was almost 50 percent that were Evangelicals. That is some really committed faith. You have to have it because it is a literal interpretation of everything said in the Bible. No wonder Mel Gibson's "The Passion" was such a sell-out everywhere it played. Distrust of government is healthy but conspiracies have caused Americans to cross over into the dark zone - and they now have a neurotic distrust of everything. It has become more than simply a "secret collaboration" between two or more people for some evil and wicked end result. It is how conspiracists explain all insufficiently explicable phenomenon and the more complicated society becomes the more it is considered a conspiracy. Here is what Robert Alan Goldberg in "Enemies Within: The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America" (2002 from Yale U Press) says about the culture of conspiracy. He explains: "conspiracism is an American tradition. Yet there is danger in the observance. Conspiracism demonizes opponents and makes struggle internecine. Victories in such conflicts can only be Pyrrhic. Conspiracy thinking has moved Americans beyond a healthy skepticism of authority. Lacking public confidence, core institutions become unstable and lose their ability to govern. The cancer of conspiracism has begun to metastasize. Without a new awareness of its character and quick intervention, countersubversion may overcome the body politic." Conspiracists are the fringe of both the left and the right. And lately there isn't much difference between the two for their same theories and the blame game they play. There are some semantic differences when you define conspiracy where there is the most disagreement and interpretations vary. For example where the San Jose Mercury News story tried to show a connection between the CIA and drugs there was no conspiracy to flood the Black community with drugs, whereas the story did imply the connection would ultimately have that effect. The story never reached the conclusion that the CIA was involved in a conspiracy. What the story did was provide circumstantial evidence to a link between the CIA and the Contras. There was no conspiracy because there was NO "secret agreement" to do an unlawful or wrongful act. There was no conspiracy to flood the Black community with drugs. BUT as can be seen by the kernel of truth in that story, like most conspiracy theories, they contain a small element of truth. While world government is the objective of some according to the conspiracists, it is not a theory that many people would object to if the government is to their liking. I remember back in the 50s we use to talk about how much better it would be to have one world, one government. That was a popular idea or of a League of Nations (and then the United Nations) would not have gotten off the ground. That is because many people do favor world government. National Paranoia In Hofstadter, he states in his book that one ingredient of conspiracy was the idea of a government that controlled the economy. There was the intention of central planning but it was not a conspiracy and since WWII leverage of foreign aid through the World Bank and IMF has encouraged central planning in the Third World. There is no "secret" deal to make it so. Tom Bethell in National Review (8-28-95) writes: "...Take the business of a conspiracy to achieve world government -- an abiding element of conspiracy theorizing, endorsed by today's militiamen. The goal of world government is considered ridiculous by some of the very people who spent their lives dreaming about it. They advocated it, and invested a fair amount of energy in the idea. But once they heard they were ``conspiring'' to attain it, their ridicule of the non-existent plot also conveniently dissociated them from the goal and made the idea of world government itself seem silly...." There is an organization called the World Federalists. Some call it conspiracy. The president use to be actor Sir Peter Ustinov and it was a bit of a joke to some people, but the idea may yet catch on. Ustinov said (paraphrased by Bethell): "The planet will come to its senses, wars will cease, nations will buddy up and a new international court will convict the ringleaders in Bosnia for the ``repellent and stupid'' evil of ethnic cleansing." The European Union is likely a step in that direction. This is not a time for George W. Bush to be pissing off the allies we desperately need in our quest for world peace. Hank Roth http://pnews.org/ AND, IMO, a one world government (one people) is not such a bad idea either. --- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Wiki) http://pnews.org/ (Home) -DON'T FEED THE TROLLS- ============================================================= \_/ \_/

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Avoidance and Conspiracy Theorists

Avoidance and Conspiracy Theorists Just like my commentary about Wikis not being created equal neither are conspiracy theories. Conspiracies have a twisted appeal to just about everyone because no one can know everything but when you tie all the coincidences together you can see how conspiracies become the glue that connects the dots. It connects the coincidences together. Paxdora thinks I took down her Wiki comments about conspiracism because she believes in them and I don't, but nothing could be further from the truth, and it isn't a conspiracy Paxdora that caused your links to destruct and any paranoia you might have about the removal of your remarks are not without reason and it was not done intentionally because I didn't like what you said. Folks who know me here know I have not censored their views, even when they disagreed with mine (But I do want people who use my servers to follow basic rules). To make your conspiracy work you have to believe I did it because I do not agree with you. That part you can take to the bank. That is, I do not agree with you. But that is not the reason you have had your access denied and some of your pages removed. Paxdora, you don't read. At least twice you removed comments above the line. The instructions were simple. It said, "Do not remove or alter comments above" and you did it anyway. You didn't just do it once. You did it twice and you reverted page more than twice. usually twice is enough. And why or how you deleted your internal links I still haven't figured out. Of course there are some real conspiracies. Otherwise we would not have laws against combinations and anti-trust laws against collective decisions to control prices. And we know the Jews control Hollywood and the media. Just ask anyone. We know the Freemasons are Jewish power brokers, and we know the Pope tells Catholic presidents what to do. We know that Ike was a communist. Ask the John Birchers. See http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/CriticismOfConspiracism and the links there for some very good articles about conspiracies. There is a real twisted appeal to all manner of conspiracies. America needs it's conspiracies. The LEFT does not. The Right needs Waco, Ruby Ridge, the CIA crack connection, the death of Clinton aide, Vince Foster (who it was finally admitted from the investigation that it was a suicide) and the X-files. And not to forget Area 51 and JFK, and we never walked on the moon. My son saw that one on television (I think they made a movie) and he said, "Hey dad, did you know we never went to the moon?" The lawyer for Timothy McVeigh tried to sell an elaborate conspiracy how the bombing in Oklahoma City was orchestrated by foreign terrorists. Of course it was Tim McVeigh, not al-Qaeda but there were many who wanted to believe his attorney. Some people, like Paxdora, do not even realize they're being manipulated. And in spite of the denial that they do, conspiracy theories do serve political agendas. It serves the right's purpose to have everyone believe that a very sinister few people are masterminding everything in order to rule the world. One of the best books I read about this paranoia was historian Richard Hofstadter's "Paranoid Style in American Politics," written many years ago and still relevant. Lately there have been a spate of new books debunking conspiracies. I have read reviews of several of them. Some are from a few authors, who while brilliant and very insightful, are not well considered by the left because they are too supportive of Israel. It is too bad because Pipes is a masterful writer and very informed. But he isn't the only one writing about conspiracism and very critical of conspiracies and those who promote them. Almost the entire Middle-East problem between Islam and the West is based on acceptance of false conspiracies spoon-fed to Muslims by their clerics and rulers. Chip Berlet, who is a left wing activist and journalist, is the leading critic and an exceptional writer ON THE LEFT who wrote "Right Woos Left" and other critiques which if you haven't read, you should do so. See http://publiceye.com/ Why are Americans especially so paranoid? I had the great fortune and privilege to work in the White House. I consider it an honor that I did and have no regrets because the president at the time was Ike and _I Like Ike_.. Remember that phrase? Maybe you don't, but there were buttons made which said that and my mother liked him and he was a good person to work for. When I worked in the War Room, it was not as pleasurable but it was my lot in life to be chosen to be in those places. I'd like to say it was because of my intellect, but I think it was more because I was the ideal candidate when chosen for that job; I did very good on all my exams and ham radio was my hobby since I 14. And I had finished 3 years in a military school so I was the ideal patriotic military type. Anyway I can tell you there were no conspiracies in those high towers of government. None. I heard all the conversations because that was part of my job. I was the voice-security expert and that is what I did. Conspiracy was just something others said about what was being done - but unless I was missing something very basic, it was all business of running the country and a few people were in charge. They didn't receive subliminal messages nor real calls over the phone or radio nor on the crypto machines to tell them what to do. These Right-Wing talk show hosts talk conspiracy BS everyday. Have you ever turned them on? Of course you have. Everyone does. Some are fixated on what they say, as if they have the real inside scoop on what is happening. Free speech is a wonderful thing, but that aside, these right wing nuts, with an audience, do a lot of harm. And we are in a sorry state of affairs when a majority of the population of America feels threatened. It doesn't help when the office of Home Land Defense keeps issuing warnings that we are being attacked. Maybe there are threats but wouldn't you rather they took care of it without telling us all the time, when there isn't a damn thing we could do anyway because we're not the ones who would do anything. If anything someone may load their guns and have an itchy trigger finger next time the teenage kids come home late. The Bush administration does not help, because "yelling wolf" so many times does more to fuel the paranoia than anything and you know Bush W. is a conspiracist. He believes in Armageddon and if that isn't conspiracy theory, I don't know the meaning of the term. And there have been real cover-ups and the FBI has spied on many radical and other domestic peace and justice, anti-establishment organizations. We all remember COINTELPRO. That was real. Vietnam veterans were spied on. Is that a conspiracy or the government's business as usual? I say it is the way they do business and that is the way we MUST look at it. The CIA gets down in the gutter, just like cops everywhere and they do things which are not what you expect. They work with informers who are gutter scum and some say those are conspiracies. Any sting is a conspiracy. It is a cover-up and we have the mechanism to deal with it. There are many instances of the misuse of power. The constitution guarantees rights but they often have to be fought for. That is the purpose of the left. About 400 African-Americans (men) with syphilis were untreated for 40 years as part of the Tuskegee study and the government never apologized until just recently. That was a conspiracy of silence because it covered up the real facts of the wrong-doing. The problem with criticizing critics of conspiracism while considering wrong-doing conspiracies, when they are the natural way of governments doing their business to protect wealth is misleading and diversionary for the left which must oppose power and privilege which leads to this coverup and wrong-doing in the first place. It is much easier for the Right to adopt conspiracies about everything and play the blame game. They do that by blaming Jews, African-Americans, Immigrants and all those people who are as much the victims of skewed policies as those on the right are. The first objective is always to SEEK THE TRUTH. And then Seek Justice ("dirshu mishpat"). Here is why conspiricies do more harm than they explain anything: Conspiracymongers cause it to be difficult for those of us who are seeking the truth. Conspiracists play the blame game. They damage credibility of government institutions. They raise the level of cynicism. The exposes which have appears in the mainstream media has in many instances been flawed in their endeavor to make the case for blame. Fair and balanced is not something you find much of in the news nor especially, not on the interNUT. I remember how the left said, "We told you" so when the journalist in the San Jose Mercury News reported that there had been an undeniable connection to the spread of crack in the inner cities and the CIA's involvement. You all remember that, right? But it was afterwards that the San Jose Mercury News admitted that that those articles which it had reported and were picked up by everyone, from left to right and repeated everywhere, as it usually is on the net; well, they were SIGNIFICANTLY FLAWED, so said the San Jose Mercury News. Do you know how many letters I get all the time about my essays on the U.S.S. Liberty, how it was "friendly fire" and not intentional at all. And tapes have even been released (just recently) which attest to that fact, and it is still disbelieved because these same people, mostly on the right, but also on the left, WANT (no NEED) to blame the Israelis. Nothing quite diminishes the appeal of these outlandish conspiracy theories. Why is that? They fill a primary need to play the blame game. Paxdora needs to play the blame game. She is a pansien. She believes in many gods and I don't mean to belittle her belief structure, but come on --- belief in many is safer than belief in one. AND belief in conspiracy is safe because it is some kind of answer, even if it is the wrong one. Even if it is wrong. As I hope I have said before, believing in conspiracies really does fill an urgent need for people to AVOID admitting the most obvious answers of them all, that SHIT HAPPENS! Hank Roth http://pnews.org/ --- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Wiki) http://pnews.org/ (Home) -DON'T FEED THE TROLLS- ============================================================= \_/ \_/

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Conspiracy Mania

As I was walking up the stair, I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd go away --Author unknown The Cancer of Conspiracism Has Begun to Metastasize Conspiracy Mania There isn't much that goes on anywhere that isn't part of some huge conspiracy. That is how Americans believe. I couldn't believe the statistics I heard recently about how so many in America believe in Evangelical Christianity. It was a huge figure and over 90 percentile believed in God. And it was almost 50 percent that were Evangelicals. That is some really committed faith. You have to have it because it is a literal interpretation of everything said in the Bible. No wonder Mel Gibson's "The Passion" was such a sell-out everywhere it played. Distrust of government is healthy but conspiracies have caused Americans to cross over into the dark zone - and they now have a neurotic distrust of everything. It has become more than simply a "secret collaboration" between two or more people for some evil and wicked end result. It is how conspiracists explain all insufficiently explicable phenomenon and the more complicated society becomes the more it is considered a conspiracy. Here is what Robert Alan Goldberg in "Enemies Within: The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America" (2002 from Yale U Press) says about the culture of conspiracy. He explains: "conspiracism is an American tradition. Yet there is danger in the observance. Conspiracism demonizes opponents and makes struggle internecine. Victories in such conflicts can only be Pyrrhic. Conspiracy thinking has moved Americans beyond a healthy skepticism of authority. Lacking public confidence, core institutions become unstable and lose their ability to govern. The cancer of conspiracism has begun to metastasize. Without a new awareness of its character and quick intervention, countersubversion may overcome the body politic." Conspiracists are the fringe of both the left and the right. And lately there isn't much difference between the two for their same theories and the blame game they play. There are some semantic differences when you define conspiracy where there is the most disagreement and interpretations vary. For example where the San Jose Mercury News story tried to show a connection between the CIA and drugs there was no conspiracy to flood the Black community with drugs, whereas the story did imply the connection would ultimately have that effect. The story never reached the conclusion that the CIA was involved in a conspiracy. What the story did was provide circumstantial evidence to a link between the CIA and the Contras. There was no conspiracy because there was NO "secret agreement" to do an unlawful or wrongful act. There was no conspiracy to flood the Black community with drugs. BUT as can be seen by the kernel of truth in that story, like most conspiracy theories, they contain a small element of truth. While world government is the objective of some according to the conspiracists, it is not a theory that many people would object to if the government is to their liking. I remember back in the 50s we use to talk about how much better it would be to have one world, one government. That was a popular idea or of a League of Nations (and then the United Nations) would not have gotten off the ground. That is because many people do favor world government. National Paranoia In Hofstadter, he states in his book that one ingredient of conspiracy was the idea of a government that controlled the economy. There was the intention of central planning but it was not a conspiracy and since WWII leverage of foreign aid through the World Bank and IMF has encouraged central planning in the Third World. There is no "secret" deal to make it so. Tom Bethell in National Review (8-28-95) writes: "...Take the business of a conspiracy to achieve world government -- an abiding element of conspiracy theorizing, endorsed by today's militiamen. The goal of world government is considered ridiculous by some of the very people who spent their lives dreaming about it. They advocated it, and invested a fair amount of energy in the idea. But once they heard they were ``conspiring'' to attain it, their ridicule of the non-existent plot also conveniently dissociated them from the goal and made the idea of world government itself seem silly...." There is an organization called the World Federalists. Some call it conspiracy. The president use to be actor Sir Peter Ustinov and it was a bit of a joke to some people, but the idea may yet catch on. Ustinov said (paraphrased by Bethell): "The planet will come to its senses, wars will cease, nations will buddy up and a new international court will convict the ringleaders in Bosnia for the ``repellent and stupid'' evil of ethnic cleansing." The European Union is likely a step in that direction. This is not a time for George W. Bush to be pissing off the allies we desperately need in our quest for world peace. Hank Roth http://pnews.org/ AND, IMO, a one world government (one people) is not such a bad idea either. --- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================= http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Wiki) http://pnews.org/ (Home) -DON'T FEED THE TROLLS- ============================================================= \_/ \_/