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The South really is Ground Zero for labor in this country, and Hunter is right when he talks about the scale of effort that cracking this particular nut is going to require. Since so much of the South really is uncharted territory as far as unions go, the South -- moreso even than any other area of the country -- is going to require a lot of money; a lot of discovering, working with, and developing indigenous local organizers who have no family or cultural background or experience with unions (although other forms of people's organizations are legion); and more than anything else, a full-on assault against white supremacy. Union density nationwide is now below what I'd previously thought was an unlucky 13% (it's 12.9%, and the slide shows few signs of halting), so this will increasingly apply throughout the country. Also, while it's pretty much impossible to think of organizing the South on a large scale in the absence of a mass movement, there needs to be a way to institutionalize the gains when they finally happen. Without a political strategy as a component of the organizing in order to get rid of the right-to-work-for-less laws, any gains will be ephemeral. - - - - - John Lacny People of the US, unite and defeat the Bush regime and all its running dogs! "[C]apital comes dripping from head to foot, from every pore, with blood and dirt." --Marx, Capital, Vol. 1, Chapter 31 Community email addresses: Post message: marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subscribe: marxist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx List owner: Hunter Gray <hunterbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist Also take our one-question survey at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/polls Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Re: From Bill Mandel: Re REAL-STUFF DIXIE LABOR ORGANIZING

An Oral History with John R. Salter, Jr. [Hunter Gray] Description: This is a detailed outline of the oral history I did for Mississippi State University [John C Stennis Oral History Collection] on December 26 1990. It was transcribed into print. Subjects: AFL Allison, Mrs. Doris American Civil Liberties Union American Indian Historian Arizona Republic Babbitt, Bruce Bailey, Sam Baker, Ella Barbour, Haley Barnett, Ross Beckwith, Byron Beittel, Dan Biggs, Bill Bilbo, Theodore Bill Haywood's Book: The Autobioqraphy of William D. Haywood Bliss, Charley Brown Decision Brown, Jess Campbell College Carter, Hodding II CDGM Chacon, Juan City of Jackson, a Municipal Cormoration vs John R. Salter, Jr. et. al. Clark, Robert COFO Cole, Ed Coleman, J.P. Coordinating Co1ittee for Fundamental Freedoms CORE Cox, Judge Harold Current, Gloster DeLeon, Daniel Devils Lake, N.D. Disciples of Christ Dombrowski, Jim Durham, N.C. sit-in Eastland, James Even Mississippi Evers, Medgar Evers, Myrlie Ezelle, Bob Fellowship of Reconciliation Freedom of Information Act Freedom Riders Goldwater, Barry Gompers, Sam Good Neighbor Council Greensboro, N.C. sit in Harkey, Ira Hawks, Elizabeth Hayden, Carl Haywood, William D. Hearn, Powers Helms, Jesse Henry, Aaron Hill, General Jim Dan Hoover, J. Edga Hurley, Ruby International Union of Mine, Mill, and Smelter Workers IWW Jackson Clarion Ledger Jackson Daily News Jackson Movement Jackson State University Jackson, MS Youth Council of the NAACP Johnson, Paul Johnston, Erle Journal of Southern History Kennedy, John F. King, Ed King, Martin Luther, Jr. Ku Klux Klan Kunstler, William Lawrence, Ken Life Magazine Mabus, Ray Marshall, Burke Mays, Benjamin McCain, W.D. McCarran, Senator McElvaine, Bob McLaurin, John McMillan, Neil Mecham, Ed Mind of the South Mississippi Bankers Association Mississippi Burning Mississippi Citizens Council Mississippi Economic Council Mississippi Historical Society Mississippi Human Relations Council Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission Mississippi's Defiant Years Mitchell, Jerry Moody, Ann Moore, Amzie Moore, Mike Morehouse College Mullin, Moon NAACP Nation National Rifle Association National States Rights Party Nelson, Governor Gaylord New York Review of Books New York Times Newsweek Oxford, Mississippi Parker, Mack Charles Peters, Ed Pyles, Dixon Rabinowitz and Boudin Law Firm Reddix, Jacob Rockefeller Foundation Rutledge, Steve Salt of the Earth Schutt, Mrs. Wallace Senate Internal Security Subcommittee Senate Judiciary Committee Senner, Duke Silver, James Simons, Bill Smiley, Glen Smith, Frank Smith, Hazel Brannon Smith, Lamar Smith, Rev. R.L.T. SNCC Southern Christian Leadership Conference Southern Conference Education Fund State Historical Society of Wisconsin Stennis, John Hampton Superior State College Talladaga College The Smell of Burninq Crosses Thompson, Mayor Allen Till, Emmett Time Tougaloo College Udall, Morris United Negro College Fund Waller, William Watkins, Tom Western Federation of Miners Whitten, Jamie Wilkins, Roy Winter, William Wisconsin National Guard Wobblies WRAL TV (Index for the above can be found at the end of the transcript. The transcript is searchable using the built in search feature of the DjVu Reader.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Unami Monacong To: socunity@xxxxxxxxxx ; Redbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: From Bill Mandel: Re REAL-STUFF DIXIE LABOR ORGANIZING I agree with Bill on this, Hunter, it would be great if we can get a recording of an audio interview with you on this and other topics, "oral history" if you will. Particularly important to document for the younger generations and maybe it could run as a series in either The Socialist and/or Democratic Left or somewhere. Jesse Heiwa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "[C]apital comes dripping from head to foot, from every pore, with blood and dirt." --Marx, Capital, Vol. 1, Chapter 31 Community email addresses: Post message: marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subscribe: marxist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx List owner: Hunter Gray <hunterbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist Also take our one-question survey at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/polls ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/B140lB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From Bill Mandel: Re REAL-STUFF DIXIE LABOR ORGANIZING

Hunter: Wish to hell your health permitted you to be the national leader of left-labor-"minority"-progressivism you ought to be. As it is, these posts substitute for that as nearly as possible. When I gave a commercial lecture on the Soviet Union in Birmingham in December 1945 (reported accurately in the Age-Herald), I looked up the head of the Southern Negro Youth Congress (SNYC, which pronounces exactly the same as SNCC). He took me to an integrated meeting of those union steel workers, although each race sat on its own side of the aisle. Thanks for reminding me that it was Mine-Mill. By crazy coincidence, the head of the house-cleaning department at the senior residence where my wife and I lived until her death, and where I still eat dinners, is the daughter of one of those Black members. Being anti-racist has its advantages: she comes over and cleans my place, a couple of blocks away, and tries to refuse pay, which I reject. Bill P.S. to Fred: Hunter contributes to several lists, not simply this YPSL one, and maintains at least one of his own. P.S. to Hunter: Fred is the Fred Hirsch I describe on p.352 of my autobio. You and he would get along great. "[C]apital comes dripping from head to foot, from every pore, with blood and dirt." --Marx, Capital, Vol. 1, Chapter 31 Community email addresses: Post message: marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subscribe: marxist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx List owner: Hunter Gray <hunterbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist Also take our one-question survey at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/polls Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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An Oral History with John R. Salter, Jr. [Hunter Gray] Description: This is a detailed outline of the oral history I did for Mississippi State University [John C Stennis Oral History Collection] on December 26 1990. It was transcribed into print. Subjects: AFL Allison, Mrs. Doris American Civil Liberties Union American Indian Historian Arizona Republic Babbitt, Bruce Bailey, Sam Baker, Ella Barbour, Haley Barnett, Ross Beckwith, Byron Beittel, Dan Biggs, Bill Bilbo, Theodore Bill Haywood's Book: The Autobioqraphy of William D. Haywood Bliss, Charley Brown Decision Brown, Jess Campbell College Carter, Hodding II CDGM Chacon, Juan City of Jackson, a Municipal Cormoration vs John R. Salter, Jr. et. al. Clark, Robert COFO Cole, Ed Coleman, J.P. Coordinating Co1ittee for Fundamental Freedoms CORE Cox, Judge Harold Current, Gloster DeLeon, Daniel Devils Lake, N.D. Disciples of Christ Dombrowski, Jim Durham, N.C. sit-in Eastland, James Even Mississippi Evers, Medgar Evers, Myrlie Ezelle, Bob Fellowship of Reconciliation Freedom of Information Act Freedom Riders Goldwater, Barry Gompers, Sam Good Neighbor Council Greensboro, N.C. sit in Harkey, Ira Hawks, Elizabeth Hayden, Carl Haywood, William D. Hearn, Powers Helms, Jesse Henry, Aaron Hill, General Jim Dan Hoover, J. Edga Hurley, Ruby International Union of Mine, Mill, and Smelter Workers IWW Jackson Clarion Ledger Jackson Daily News Jackson Movement Jackson State University Jackson, MS Youth Council of the NAACP Johnson, Paul Johnston, Erle Journal of Southern History Kennedy, John F. King, Ed King, Martin Luther, Jr. Ku Klux Klan Kunstler, William Lawrence, Ken Life Magazine Mabus, Ray Marshall, Burke Mays, Benjamin McCain, W.D. McCarran, Senator McElvaine, Bob McLaurin, John McMillan, Neil Mecham, Ed Mind of the South Mississippi Bankers Association Mississippi Burning Mississippi Citizens Council Mississippi Economic Council Mississippi Historical Society Mississippi Human Relations Council Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission Mississippi's Defiant Years Mitchell, Jerry Moody, Ann Moore, Amzie Moore, Mike Morehouse College Mullin, Moon NAACP Nation National Rifle Association National States Rights Party Nelson, Governor Gaylord New York Review of Books New York Times Newsweek Oxford, Mississippi Parker, Mack Charles Peters, Ed Pyles, Dixon Rabinowitz and Boudin Law Firm Reddix, Jacob Rockefeller Foundation Rutledge, Steve Salt of the Earth Schutt, Mrs. Wallace Senate Internal Security Subcommittee Senate Judiciary Committee Senner, Duke Silver, James Simons, Bill Smiley, Glen Smith, Frank Smith, Hazel Brannon Smith, Lamar Smith, Rev. R.L.T. SNCC Southern Christian Leadership Conference Southern Conference Education Fund State Historical Society of Wisconsin Stennis, John Hampton Superior State College Talladaga College The Smell of Burninq Crosses Thompson, Mayor Allen Till, Emmett Time Tougaloo College Udall, Morris United Negro College Fund Waller, William Watkins, Tom Western Federation of Miners Whitten, Jamie Wilkins, Roy Winter, William Wisconsin National Guard Wobblies WRAL TV (Index for the above can be found at the end of the transcript. The transcript is searchable using the built in search feature of the DjVu Reader.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Unami Monacong To: socunity@xxxxxxxxxx ; Redbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: From Bill Mandel: Re REAL-STUFF DIXIE LABOR ORGANIZING I agree with Bill on this, Hunter, it would be great if we can get a recording of an audio interview with you on this and other topics, "oral history" if you will. Particularly important to document for the younger generations and maybe it could run as a series in either The Socialist and/or Democratic Left or somewhere. Jesse Heiwa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "[C]apital comes dripping from head to foot, from every pore, with blood and dirt." --Marx, Capital, Vol. 1, Chapter 31 Community email addresses: Post message: marxist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subscribe: marxist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx List owner: Hunter Gray <hunterbadbear@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist Also take our one-question survey at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/polls ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/B140lB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: marxist-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/