[L-I] PART 2 -TRANSCRIPT: "WHAT HAPPENED 9-11?" JARED ISRAEL RADIO INTERVIEW

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"WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?" - PART TWO OF TWO
Transcript of Jared Israel's Radio Interview by Mark Haim 
KOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002
[Posted 15 June 2002]
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[Editor's note: I have edited the transcript mainly for brevity but also (as 
little as possible) for readability, clarity and meaning, as explained in 
Part 1 - John Flaherty.]

*Continued from Part 1 at http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1.htm

* MARK HAIM 

Of course later in the day he scurried from one - 

* JARED ISRAEL

Isn't that something? After everything happened, suddenly his entourage in 
Sarasota went into the most extreme security mode. The same people, in the 
same town, closed down all of the airports - Sarasota-Bradenton International 
Airport was closed down. 

* MARK HAIM 

They closed down airports all over the country didn't they? 

* JARED ISRAEL

But they closed down Sarasota-Brandenton before the others and they ordered 
that the education commissioner not be permitted to land. They blocked all 
the roads. The guys in security at the airport said they'd never seen 
anything like it - in fact they implied it was absurd. 

This was all for show. 

* MARK HAIM 

Let's take this other caller. Hi, Caller, you're on Evening Edition. 

* CALLER

Yeah, I'm listening to what this man's saying and I don't think the 
government knew what was going on after the first plane hit. I think they 
thought it was a stray and I just can't buy what he's saying. I think the man 
has an agenda. I think you have an agenda. And I'm not believing anything 
you-all say. 

* MARK HAIM 

Caller, one thing I want to make clear. I have not endorsed my guest's point 
of view. I'm just interviewing him. And I think it's an interesting 
hypothesis he has. I simply am exploring this question and invited a guest 
who's done quite a bit of research to answer your questions. 

* CALLER

I think he's taken some pieces of a puzzle, put them to together and he ain't 
got the whole picture yet but he's trying' to make it work. 

* MARK HAIM 

Ok. Any specific question, Caller? 

* CALLER

Why does he have a grudge against the United States government? Does it go 
back to the 60's? 

* MARK HAIM 

Jared, would you like to respond to that? 

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, I mean, "And do you still beat your wife?" 

Look, things happened that day that affected us all tremendously. The 
opinions that I'm putting forward are held by many people in the military. As 
I mentioned before, people in the Customs department, on two occasions, have 
expressed them to me and we've received a lot of email from military people 
who were very pleased we were bringing these points up. We have an Air Force 
that didn't respond. Whether I'm critical of the government about other 
things, which I am, and whether I care passionately about this country, which 
I do - because I have nothing to gain from raising unpopular points - these 
are secondary to the question of the facts I am bringing up. The facts are 
shocking and one doesn't want to believe them. And the easiest thing to do 
under that circumstance is to say. "You must have an agenda." Well, even if I 
did have an agenda - are the facts wrong? 

* MARK HAIM 

Jared, we've got another caller trying to - 

* JARED ISRAEL

Can I just comment on one other thing he said? 

* MARK HAIM 

Sure. 

* JARED ISRAEL 

He said that after the first plane hit they didn't didn't think this was an 
act of terrorism. Well, here are some facts. 

The FAA reported in Newsday that they knew at 8:20 that Flight 11 had been 
hijacked out of Boston. 

Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center at about 8:45. 

Now, what possible reason would anyone have to believe that a plane, which 
had been hijacked, and then hit the biggest building in the US, did it by 
mistake? That would be absurd. 

And we have reports from, for instance, the Daily News in New York: "9:08 
a.m. Police radio broadcasts, 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the 
Pentagon.'" Daily News, New York, September 12th. 

* MARK HAIM 

Ok. We've got a caller. Hi, Caller, thanks for your patience. 

* CALLER

I just got cut off and I don't appreciate his comments about the wife beating 
because I don't do that. 

* MARK HAIM

No, that's an expression, you know, when you accuse somebody of something and 
ask him a question in an accusative way, it's like saying, "And do you still 
beat your wife?" 

* JARED ISRAEL

You see, because you said, "Why do you have an agenda?" That assumes I *have* 
an agenda. So how can I answer? 

You know, when you have a family and you raise criticisms of family members, 
it's because you love them and I rather passionately love the people in this 
country. 

The experiences I had in the 60's were of working with people to change 
things. I saw the decency of the American people. I saw white people who have 
been affected by racism come to sympathize with black people. I saw people 
who had learned from birth that you don't question the government, question 
the government about Vietnam. I'm talking about soldiers. And I, myself, by 
the way, started out, if I may say, when I was a young man, as somebody who 
would have agreed with you completely, that is I was completely opposed to 
people who were questioning. So I myself have gone through this kind of 
change. And I think the American people, and people around the world feel 
this about us, have many wonderful traits, openness to ideas and so on. 

But I'm talking about criminal actions. I'm saying we have evidence that 
suggests criminal action. And we know that powerful people throughout history 
have been capable of such things in the interests of money. That's been true 
throughout history. Why would our country be an exception? 

[At this point a man called in and raised two questions to which Jared Israel 
responded. The questions were: 

1) What about the 4th plane, the one that crashed in Pennsylvania? 

2) What about the accusation that the smooth way the twin towers collapsed 
suggested explosive charges had been planted in the buildings?] 

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, we're trying, at least at Emperor's Clothes, to stick to what we're 
sure of. We really don't know what happened with that plane in Pennsylvania. 
We looked into it a bit and, while it was a terrible tragedy, it was 
secondary because things were so much clearer with flight 77, the one that 
hit the Pentagon. 

On the question of the WTC towers, I've heard arguments on both sides and 
we've stayed pretty much away from it though we reported a little on what 
some people have said, because we really don't know. 

However, I can tell you this: the firefighters in New York, in their 
publication, have been very upset, not only with the crass way Mayor Giuliani 
dealt with them, at a certain point trying to stop them from finding the 
bodies of their brothers, but also because of the haste with which the 
structural material was removed and melted down, instead of having a proper 
fire investigation to determine cause. 

But there are a lot of possible explanations other than that there was a 
demolition. 

So since we don't know the answers on those two points, we've not tried to 
give opinions. Indeed, in general we're *not trying to give opinions*. We're 
not trying to point out suspicious circumstances. We're trying to focus on 
what we can be sure of and then make logical deductions that would follow, 
without prejudice and without emotion, if we can. So that's why we're dealing 
with the reported behavior of key leaders and then analyzing what those 
reports mean. 

For example, regarding the reports we have about planes and their movements 
and when those reports were made - those things we can be sure of because the 
reports are in print. That is, we can be sure that they wrote that at a 
particular time. So we try to deal with that on Emperor's Clothes. 

* MARK HAIM

Hi, Caller. 

[Caller asks if Jared Israel knows anything about a report prior to 9-11 that 
Attorney General Ashcroft would be using Air Force One instead of public 
transportation.] 

* JARED ISRAEL

No I don't. Here's an important thing. People have healthy suspicions which 
I'm not trying to put a damper on. But when an event occurs, there are 
necessarily certain coincidences which you can then mistakenly see as 
causative. Because naturally a whole bunch of things will happen and some of 
them will look like they're related. So that's why we try to hone in on 
things that are specifically related to this event: procedures that were not 
followed. What are the procedures? We have them on the Website. We have the 
report of the Joint Chiefs of Staff which says that the first thing the FAA 
does when there's a hijacking is notify the Secretary of Defense. But 
according to Assistant Secretary of Defense Victoria Clarke, it was she who 
first told Rumsfeld about the World Trade Center attack. And after that, what 
did he do? According to Clarke, he stayed in his office until after the 
Pentagon was hit. He did not join her in the National Military Command 
Center. Now, this is an unbelievable behavioral response. It can't be 
explained by saying there were no hijackings for many years. This woman comes 
in and tells Rumsfeld the two biggest buildings in the New York have just 
been hit by hijacked planes and Rumsfeld says, "I have to make some phone 
calls." 

What would be the reason for him staying out of the National Military Command 
Center for 45 minutes or more? What would be the *sane* reason? The only 
reason that we could think of was that if he wasn't in there he couldn't be 
held responsible for the lack of response that he knew was going to take 
place. So it was important for him *not* to be in there at that time. 

The same thing happened with Richard Myers. He's acting head of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff on September 11th. On September 13th he's going for a 
nomination hearing to be made head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This is the 
most important day of his life because on this day, that he is acting 
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - and he's an Air Force General with 
thousands of hours of time flying fighter planes - this is the only day the 
United States has ever been attacked from the air. 

Myers claims he is at Senator Max Cleland's office in the morning - 8:40 
Eastern Time. He sees on TV that the first plane has hit the World Trade 
Center. He claims on Armed Services Radio that at that point he went in and 
met with Cleland for an hour. Nobody called him and told him that a second 
plane had hit, that the air corridor had been closed between Washington and 
Cleveland, that a plane had been hijacked in Ohio and was flying back to the 
Pentagon. 

Then he also claims that when he walked out of Cleland's office, he was 
handed a portable phone and it was the head of NORAD - the North American 
Aerospace Defense Command - telling him the Pentagon had been hit. 

Now these are unbelievable assertions. Doesn't the man have a beeper? Doesn't 
the man have a cell phone? Doesn't the man have a secretary who knows where 
he is? General Myers was, after all, acting head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 
of the US military. Wouldn't anybody inform him that planes were being 
hijacked and flying into buildings? 

And you know what Myers said he talked to Max Cleland about? He claims he sat 
there and they discussed the danger of terrorism. Now this is like a satire. 
It seems unbelievable. 

* MARK HAIM

Hi, Caller. Can you make a very quick pointed question? 

* CALLER

Yeah. I'm extremely concerned that what we've just heard for the last hour 
parallels exactly the anti-Semitic view that's been pushed throughout the 
Arab world and into parts of Europe that this was a conspiracy and that Jews 
in particular were forewarned about the attacks on the World Trade Center so 
that they would not go to work that day. 

* JARED ISRAEL

That's a lie, though. That, of course, isn't true. 

* CALLER

You're playing into the hands of the anti-Semitic people. 

* JARED ISRAEL 

Because we have a short time left, let me say, first of all, that I'm Jewish. 
Second of all I loathe anti-Semitism. This gentleman is Jewish, too. 

The anti-Semitic stuff was started three days after 9-11 by General Gul, the 
former top CIA- connected person in Pakistan. He told MSNBC that "The Jews" 
must have done it. This line has been pushed by Fox TV which is, in my 
opinion, a very questionable institution and it's been pitched by some 
fascistic people on the Internet, trying to turn this situation, which is 
always done when there's a problem, trying to turn this situation, which has 
zero connection with Jewish people into an attack on Jews so that ordinary 
people, who don't want to question the US government, because it's such a 
horrifying idea, have a convenient group to pin it on. A scapegoat group. And 
that's what the whole business is with saying that all the Jews stayed home 
from the World Trade Center. Which is an insult to the many Jewish people and 
many other people who were friends of theirs who died on that day. 

* MARK HAIM 

Caller, does that answer you question? 

* CALLER

Well, I would agree but you're playing into the hands of those people who are 
doing exactly what you are complaining about. 

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, the problem is what I'm saying, is true. And we can't *not* tell the 
truth because liars will try to twist it. So because I agree with the danger 
here, I'm going to post, within the next week, post an exhaustive look at the 
attempt to twist this into anti-Semitism - which I know is very prevalent. 
And, which I am entirely opposed to. (6)

* MARK HAIM 

Caller, I appreciate you getting in on this. We have no time left, but thank 
you so much for calling. 

* CALLER

Thank you very much. 

* MARK HAIM 

Jared we are right now just about out of time and there's so much I wanted to 
touch on that we haven't even started on. One caller asked about the efforts 
to get this out to more people. I wanted to talk about the political 
implications of those of us in the peace movement raising these concerns. We 
also haven't touched on bin Laden at all. 

* JARED ISRAEL

No, which I'd love to talk about. 

* MARK HAIM

I'm wondering might you be available to come back and finish this issue next 
Tuesday night? 

* JARED ISRAEL

Sure. Why not. Anytime you want. 

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Further Reading:
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For a full list of Emperor's Clothes articles (with lots of documentation!) 
on 9-11, go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm 

1) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air 
attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and 
Craig Gordon. The direct link is 
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#1 

2) The article, "Cheney's Cover Story,' has a much material on the prescribed 
response to a hijacking. On the FAA, see 
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm#a 
On The Joint Chiefs, see 'Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 
3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and Destruction of 
Derelict Airborne Objects," 4.Policy (page 1)
PDF available at:
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
Backup at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf

3) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air 
attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and 
Craig Gordon. The direct link is 
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#2 

4) The changes in text of the Andrews Air Force Base-related Websites are 
documented (with links) and discussed in 'UPDATES TO GUILTY FOR 9-11,' at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm 

5) The DCANG Website was changed, removing the pledge to maintain planes in 
the "highest possible state of readiness." You can still access that text, 
however, through www.archive.org Go to 
http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183700/http://dcandr.ang.af.mil/ 
Click on "Headquarters" and you should see it. If that link stops working, go 
to 
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/dcandr2.htm 

6) The promised article on anti-Semitism related to 9-11 is late, but in the 
works. 

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