[L-I] PART 2 - CONVERSATION WITH AMBASSADOR BORISLAV MILOSEVIC, SLOBODAN'S BROTHER

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PART 2 - CONVERSATION WITH AMBASSADOR BORISLAV MILOSEVIC, SLOBODAN'S BROTHER


* JARED ISRAEL (CONTINUED)

And this current tendency to reduce human existence to one equivalent evil, 
where 'humanitarian' means 'bombing' and resistance to terrorism is by 
definition virtually the same as terror, where it is considered natural for 
ethnic groups to try to kill each other and we are supposed to root for 
whichever side the Imperial media has portrayed as victims so that whatever 
they do is justified as "revenge" against whatever group has currently been 
labeled "just like Hitler" - that, it seems to me, is what your brother has 
been fighting. That is why I'm supporting him. Sorry for my long speech! 


* BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [In English] 

Yes yes! No, no it's very good speech! 

[In Serbo-Croatian] The whole concept that your government is trying to 
impose on the world is very similar to what they preached when there was a 
bipolar world, creating a positive force and its opponent, a negative force, 
which today is called international terrorism; and in that struggle 
everything is allowed. And nobody may be neutral in that fight. 

So in the conditions of world supremacy of one power, the tendency for having 
new armaments of mass destruction, new lethal arms is increasing and it leads 
to development and strengthening of terrorism. International terrorism cannot 
be suppressed by the use of force alone, especially, as you correctly pointed 
out, when the supreme power is itself organizing terrorism in various ways in 
Kosovo, in Afghanistan, in Chechnya. So international security can be created 
only on the basis of universality, and not on the basis of isolation and 
destruction of several countries that allegedly represent some axis of evil. 

And you have correctly pointed out that many organizations defined as 
terrorist for instance and especially in the Middle East, were created and 
are still controlled by the American secret services. 

And the American policy has created great harm in other ways. There is the 
destruction of the environment and the economy in Yugoslavia because of the 
attack. And there is the increasing danger of both nuclear accident and 
nuclear war. 


* JARED ISRAEL

I think you made a very important point, that the Empire wishes to create the 
perception of a bipolar world, in which they are one pole and the other is 
terrorism. 

This Empire's thinkers are aware that every action has an equal and opposite 
reaction. Because it's a law of politics, isn't it? So opposition inevitably 
develops. And because they are clever, instead of only attacking the 
opposition, the Empire tries to mold the opposition. How can they lose if 
they are fighting something they control? Their own nightmare image, in 
effect. 

By declaring this war on terrorism, they are fighting forces which they 
covertly control. Then they also defend these terrorists, whom they actually 
organized, by means of the 'human rights' apparatus which they also control - 
and this ends up luring some people into sympathy and support for the 
terrorists. 

Such people may not be thinking clearly or maybe they've just fallen into the 
natural reaction that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - it's a human 
trait to think that way. So we see people on what considers itself the Left 
in the West making heroes out of the Taliban and other terrorists. But these 
terrorists are not fundamentally opponents of this Empire. The Taliban, for 
example, are victims of a guiding principle of this Empire, which is, "We 
have no friends, we only have future victims." This Empire may attack those 
whom it supported yesterday, as the need arises. The Taliban were supported 
by them (11) and then abruptly they became a target because the US needed an 
excuse, or more properly, the Empire needed an excuse, because it is not the 
same as the US, this Empire is above the US government, the Empire needed an 
excuse to move into Central Asia. This was for geopolitical reasons. They 
wanted to give Central Asian nations the DOS (12) treatment, which is 
penetration by Fifth Column organizations, and we see this now going on in 
Central Asia accompanied by military penetration and the corruption of the 
remnants of the Soviet officer corps disguised as military aid and training. 
The goal is to build a force in these countries capable of striking Russia. 
The Empire knows that Russia, in alliance with China, is the primary real 
threat to their control. 

None of this is contradicted by Mr. Putin's complete capitulation. As we saw 
with Macedonia, capitulation does not protect a country from attack by this 
Empire. Indeed, the experience of the Taliban shows that even being created 
by this Empire won't help if they decide to recycle you! (13)

So this move to complete the encirclement of Russia is justified by the "war 
against Terrorism." And so some people in the peace movement, perhaps not 
giving enough thought to what's going on, but simply reacting to the 
appearance, which is that the Empire is attacking Islamic fundamentalist 
terrorists - some people conclude that the fundamentalists are an ally in 
resisting NATO. Meanwhile, in fact, huge numbers of Taliban are being 
incorporated into the new Afghan army (14) which is still a Fundamentalist 
army, just more directly under Imperial control and with an end to local 
squabbling, or so they hope. 

When Russia was the opposite pole, that was a problem. Russia had positive 
ideas and practices regarding social equality. It was weak on democracy and 
sometimes on international morality but strong on social equality, and this 
encouraged dangerous egalitarianism. But with Islamic terrorists as the 
opposite pole, when potential opponents are drawn to the opposite pole, what 
are they idolizing? The most backward and fascistic forces - the very people 
Saudi Arabia and US used to destroy the secular state in Afghanistan. 

So these jihad terrorists, the most brutal killers, who condone violence 
against women, whose definition of democracy is enforcing the Quran, who 
advocate religious war - these fanatics become the heroes for kids who want 
to change the world. What a nightmare. 


* BORISLAV MILOSEVIC

It is a difficult situation. 

Regarding this, let me say something about the war on terror. We in 
Yugoslavia consider September 11th a tragic event. 

Perhaps your readers are not aware of the horrific destruction done to my 
country [during the NATO attack on Yugoslavia]. This was a war of terror. It 
was launched to support terrorists in Kosovo. And it was conducted by planes 
dropping bombs, often encased in uranium, from a great height, not by troops 
on the ground. Terrible destruction, massive killings, environmental 
devastation. And all carried out from a great height. Against a country which 
hadn't invaded or threatened anyone. So this too was terror. (15)

But we take no satisfaction regarding Sept. 11. On the contrary, we 
sympathize with those who have suffered in the US. 

It is understandable that people in your country would have strong reactions 
when those terrible events happened last September. But now time has passed. 
A more thoughtful approach may be taken. A road of peace may be pursued. I 
hope that people in your country will think deeply about these questions. It 
is very important to the world.


* JARED ISRAEL

Thank you, Mr. Ambassador. 


* BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [In English]

OK, Israel. It was very very big pleasure for me and I am very pleased to 
contact to you like this and thank you very much. Very big pleasure for me. 


* JARED ISRAEL

Well, thank your mother and father for having produced two men who have 
contributed so much to the world. 

* BORISLAV MILOSEVIC [Laughs. Says in English]:

Don't overestimate things. 


* JARED ISRAEL

But it's the truth. Where would we be without Serbia? You resisted. What can 
I say? The Serbs seem to do it every time. 

***

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Further Reading:

1) 'MEDIA MISREPRESENTATION OF MILOSEVIC'S WORDS: A REVIEW OF THE EVIDENCE,' 
by Professor Francisco Gil-White can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/gw.htm 

2) 'Milosevic Speech at Kosovo Field (1989),' can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/milosaid.html 

3) 'BY ADDING THREE LIES, ONE DOES NOT GET THE TRUTH - ONLY A BIGGER LIE,' is 
a statement Slobodan Milosevic made during a pre-'trial' hearing at The 
Hague. It contradicts what one might expect Milosevic to say, based on his 
portrait as drawn in the Western media. Can be read at 
http://www.icdsm.org/milosevic/30jan.htm#1 

4) In the classic text, 'Seeing Yugoslavia Through a Dark Glass: Politics, 
Media and the Ideology of Globalization,' Diana Johnstone quotes a 
semi-internal publication of the very anti-Milosevic International Crisis 
Group which states that Albanian secessionists in fact boycotted 
Albanian-language institutions in Serbia (as opposed to having been deprived 
of such cultural institutions by supposed racists, as they and the Western 
media claimed.) In other words, they and the Western 'experts' lied. The 
relevant quote is at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/Johnstone/1yugo.htm#kspring 
Ms. Johnstone's article is generally instructive in seeing through the dark 
glass of misinformation about Yugoslavia.

4a) Speaking of 'provocative images,' in 'Art in the New World Order,' 
written in spring of 2000, a news photographer discusses the amazing fact 
that from 1998 to 2000 virtually all the top photojournalism awards were 
given for pictures of crying Kosovo Albanian women. What will future 
generations make of this? Can be read (and sample prize winning photos can be 
seen) at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/artinthe.htm 

5) "Afghan Operation Leaves Russia 'Encircled' by US and NATO," 
by Sergey Ptichkin and Aleksey Chichkin can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/encircle.htm 

6) 'Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden Story,' by * JARED ISRAEL can be 
read at http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm

6a) 'Bush & the Media Cover up the Jihad Schoolbook Scandal,' 
By * JARED ISRAEL at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm 

7) 'Did any major power NOT fund the Kostunica campaign?' can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/everybody's.htm 

8) 'The Black Hole,' by Petar Makara documents that 'Yugoslavia' was removed 
from the Britanica when the existence of said country became politically 
incorrect. Can be read at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/multiple/blackhole.html 

9) Alijah Izetbegovic was portrayed in the Western media as a moderate in 
favor of a multiethnic Bosnia. Nothing could be further from the truth. For a 
revealing quote from his book, "Islamic Declaration," and a bit on his role 
during World War II, see "JOE LIEBERMAN - APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA" at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm#1 

10) 'The Other Side of the Story,' by Dusan Vilic and Bosko Todorovic.
Written by two retired Yugoslav generals with access to never-before released 
army orders, this truly amazing book documents the ways the Yugoslav Army 
strove to fight NATO-backed terrorists in a civilian-friendly way, thus 
demonstrating that contrary to Chomsky, counter-terrorism need not equal 
terror. The issue of civilian relations is discussed throughout including in 
chapter seven which can be accessed at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/book/book7.htm 

The book can be accessed in full, or, for quicker loading, 
chapter-by-chapter, starting with chapter one. For whole book go to
http://www.icdsm.org/more/book.htm 
or for chapter one (with link to chapter two, and so on) go to 
http://emperors-clothes.com/book/book1.htm 

11) 'Congressman: U.S. Set Up Anti-Taliban to be Slaughtered,' includes text 
of Congressional hearing and comments by * JARED ISRAEL. Go to 
http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/rohr.htm 

12) DOS stands for Democratic Opposition of Serbia, a charming use of 
language, since these 'democrats' overthrew the elected Yugoslav government 
and burned the Parliament and these 'Serbs' were given what were in Serbian 
terms astronomical amounts of money by the US and other states in the new 
Empire in exchange for 'their' nation. For more information, see these two 
texts, which also have useful references found in 'sections marked Footnotes' 
or 'Further Reading':

* a) "Kostunica Says Some Backers 'Unconsciously work for American Imperial 
Goals...'" at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/erlang.htm 
[Includes the infamous remark that the US shipped 'suitcases of cash' to DOS]

* b) 'US Arrogance and Yugoslav Elections' at 
http://emperors-clothes.com/engl.htm 

13) On NATO's use of UN-paid terrorists to attack Macedonia see: "SORRY, 
VIRGINIA, BUT THEY ARE NATO TROOPS, NOT 'REBELS'" at
http://emperors-clothes.com/mac/times.htm
[Note - If you are not familiar with what has been done to Macedonia, the 
phrase "UN-paid terrorists" may sound like the worst hyperbole. But read the 
article and you will see that it is understatement.]

14) For documentation of claim that much of Taliban has been incorporated 
into the new Afghan Army, go to 
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/oil-1.htm#1 

15) In 'Death on a Very Small Planet' we have posted strikingly similar 
pictures of the destruction caused by September 11th and by NATO's bombing of 
Yugoslavia. Can be viewed at 
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/1/rem.htm 

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