Re: WSFII Summit in Catalonia by the end of April 2.007 (27th-29th)

Vickram - you raise some very pertinent points and being the only person other than you to have been at both Air Jaldi and the P@SHA event in Pakistan, I concur with all you say.  In particular I think that WSFII needs to grapple with how to ensure 'intelligent and purposeful planning and behaviour'  within its admirabble, unstructured, virtual and 'flat' structure and democratic culture.  But I guess that will increasingly be an issue for the whole of society as these new digital technologies of abundance enable new ways of communicating and collaborating beyond conventional structures and hierarchies.
Malcolm

On 06/12/06, Vickram Crishna <v1clist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It is critical to have discussions at such events on
subjects that are not, strictly speaking, technical.

Will we one day have mesh networking or related
technology that enables hundreds or thousands of nodes
(people) to interact live? If we are confident that
this scenario is possible, then we must discuss now
how, or in what circumstances, end-user applications
and services will come about.

For instance, following the summit at AirJaldi, people
want to know whether an existing application for voice
services exists in Open Source (open to use, open to
develop further) that can be installed within a local
network, one that today needs to comprise multiple
domains, that will handle traffic locally.

When I was in Pakistan, one software entrepreneur
whose commercial business is in call center
applications has offered to build in open source, a
voice-based conferencing and point-to-point
application (voice based because the end-users in
developing countries may often - will often - be
illiterate and unfamiliar with POTS, so the form
factor paradigms that people in the West take for
granted do not apply). What will the system
requirements of such an application be? Should it be
defined in detail in advance or should developers push
ahead and let the details work themselves out once the
applications are deployed?

I hope that continuing meetings, currently in process,
such as Catalonia, will continue to keep such urgent
matters right up front.

Secondly, we must very quickly firm up within WSFII a
protocol for handling the needs of subgroups, keeping
in mind that issues can often transcend their
parochial discussion and become relevant outside the
limits of their internal discussions. Prior to
AirJaldi, the number of lists came down to 2, this one
relating to general discussions and wsfii-coord for
matters particular to the annual wsfii event. This
also led to much confusion and possibly contributed to
some ridiculous, acrimonious and avoidable flames.

After the event, a new list (AirJaldi) has been
created to further the interests of the Tibetan
community. This lies outside the WSFII structure
entirely, mostly because I think there is no clarity
about list management. The Pakistan event never got
posted on the calendar because the web admin didn't
think it was necessary to post a mini wsfii event
within a week of its taking place. Naturally,
participants who may have wanted to come there on
their own didn't find out so couldn't.


--- Ramon Roca < ramon.roca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Alexander, that's still the firmwares/hardware part,
> which is in fact
> the part IMHO we have less to contribute.
> I'm wondering about the rest of things (maybe those
> called "not for
> geeks"), I mean things like
> collaboration/coordination, financing,
> network neutrality/peers agreements models, CNML
> development, content
> provisioning and so on... Are you planning also to
> work on this directions?
>
> We'll very likely have to run an event anyway near
> to those dates, at
> least because of the need to get meet locally. The
> question is to think
> if still makes sense to announce something more
> global to invite
> communities from outside Catalonia or Spain.
>
> En/na Alexander Morlang ha escrit:
> > Ramon Roca schrieb:
> >
> >> :(. No, we weren't aware of this Camp.
> >> We were thinking in doing something in several
> tracks, that is having
> >> content for geek as well as other contents, such
> as hiving, etc. So
> >> trying to cover as many areas as possible. Is
> that Camp just for
> >> freifunk firm based networks?
> >>
> >
> > no, freifunkfirmware is just a small part, there
> will be OpenWrt
> > developer, we expect scientist from different
> research institutes and
> > universities who are doing manet research,
> community people and the
> > technical guys from many different countrys.
> >
> > as i understood, there will be developer of at
> least 3 or 4 different
> > meshprotocols.
> >
> > most programmers of freifunkfirmware addons will
> be there too, of course.
> >
> >
> >> We'll think on this... My first impression is
> that even by moving a few
> >> weeks before/after doesn't really solve anything
> given that will still
> >> be a very close dates. Maybe makes sense to run
> them in parallel leaving
> >> the freifunk track at Germany?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > it is more of a place where all the different
> approaches will meet to
> > learn from each other, freifunk is just a part
> and, of course the host.
> >
> > we will announce it on the 23C3 (Chaos
> Communication Congress)
> >
> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Wireless:Corner
> as start of a series
> > of events, followed by events like the wireless
> village on the chaos
> > communication camp
> >
> >
> > Greet
> >
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