Phil Frost wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 09:14:09PM +0200, Elmo M?ntynen wrote:
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>>Why would you want to sort by the number, it has no real semantic value?
>>And, I'm not restricting in the srictest sense, I'm only saying that
>>people shouldn't use arbitrarily long sequenses of digits, but for now
>>only 3(should we use 4?). I don't think we'll run out numbers, but if it
>>comes to that, we're way beyond this kind manual task tracking, don't
>>you think. Or are you so impressed with this that you want to extend
>>this to everything possible=). Btw. there are only about 350 peps.
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>Let's not get caught up in policy when there is nothing to policyicate.
>Python can have PEPs because:
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>- it is being developed, and thus can be enhanced
>- there are thousands of people who want it to do different things
>- it is sufficiently large to require a formal process of tracking
> proposals
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>Unununium satisifies none of these. Allocating numbers and fishing for
>comments on the mailing list isn't going to make people start coding,
>it's just going to make the project look like a bunch of people who talk
>a lot but don't get anything done. We already fit half that description;
>let's not make it worse.
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Transferred from the original thread:
>I think before anything like this is useful, someone needs to be writing
>code.
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(Edited from an earlier post)
I fully agree, but it felt like a really great thing when it came to my
mind=).
Seriously, beyond Uuu, I haven't ran into any real effort towards these
goals, and there are more ways to help the cause than just coding. It
might be the most effective way, but are YOU doing it? I'm glad you
told what you feel, but I can sense some frustration in your response.
Do you insist on doing your own little OS, or might you be satisfied
with these goals being realized in linux, maybe even with the name of
Uuu-devel in the credits. Don't be offended by this, it's just a
response to the impression I got, and a request for a statement about this.
I don't see any indication that it's all clear to you how things
should work. And even if it were, it isn't to anybody that has the time
to really work towards those goals (you are free to code instead of
commenting my not-coding-effort). So through somewhat coordinated
discussion, things could get a bit more clear. And if we can't lure
capable people to code, maybe we should go to the capable people in
other projects and give them our refined ideas for implementing.
A full fledged OS is more like a daydream, while these goals
seperately are in our definite reach. Uuu could involve to something of
a testing platform for novel ideas, maybe parallel to becoming a usable
OS (something I was intending to add as an UMO).
Coding is only one of the several approaches to problems, and
defenitely not everyones first choice. People are different. There are
even people that have nothing to do, but are great coders. Someone(you?)
once said that about everyone with sufficient skills and vision are
doing their own project already. Well, we aren't perfect, so let's unite
and do what we do best. Personally I'm more of an idea-thrower/designer
(I'd like to think I have _vision_=), and like to code only after I know
what to code.
I once talked about using a wiki, but the response I got was that it
wouldn't do any good to have scattered documents in a disorganized
manner(or something like that). Well, this mailing list doesn't do much
better than that. A bit of persistence wouldn't be bad, with the usefull
tool of being able search the list for stuff with a unified key. There's
just so much you can put in the subject. This is just a tool, just like
a vcs (darcs), with wich you haven't done anything for some time now. I
have some ideas, but I wouldn't like them to get lost. At least a
summary posted time to time could help.
I hope this more pleasing to read=)
Elmo
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