Subject: Re: Z50 browser? - msg#00087

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Well, seems that 0.8.3 may have HTTPS support. I browsed the developer mailing list, and in July, someone added HTTPS support. So I guess you can get the latest CVS changes and have HTTPS support (and probably a few "bugs" :o) in the meantime ). I'll try to D/L it, and give it a whirl. Since I have the source, I can also attempt to temporarily change the browser response to be something akin to IE 4, and see what happens. At least Dillo doesn't take TOO long to compile on my MobilePro. (I tried to install the i386 branch on my laptop - drops into the debugger during boot. Haven't had time to mess with it further).

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Re: Z50 browser?

On Aug 18, 2004, at 12:21 PM, Tim Underwood wrote: 1) support https (with a patch, CE will support 128bit) 2) support the ability to "fool" a website by replying as a different browser (can't be done with older versions of CE). You can't access many secure (webmail, etc.) web sites without at least IE 4 or better - even though they don't need many of the features provided. They simply are keeping out "low-end" browsers. 3) while javascript and java in general would be nice - they aren't a specific requirement (probably too slow on that platoform anyway). Have you checked into w3m? I love it. It works w/ https, but it needs the boehm-gc package. About a year ago, that meant compiling w3m by hand, as the pkgsrc version of boehm-gc wouldn't work on hpcmips. w3m is text-based, renders frames and tables handily, and is...well...refreshing to use. See www.w3m.org or w3m.sourceforge.net, or try pkgsrc. Oh, and it'll let you inject your own headers. I haven't tried it this way, but something like w3m -header 'User-Agent: Internet Exploder' http://webmail.com (or whatever IE claims to be) might do the trick for the browser spoofing you're looking for. I've got an old w3m & libs compiled for 1.6XXX (can't remember the version) on a MobilePro 780 that I could try to resurrect if you find that the pkgsrc version is still bust. Chris <jepeway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.

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RE: Z50 browser?

On 2004-08-18 sd20@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Yes I also have had problems compiling browsers such as firefox, > mozilla, opera and netscape on the z50 (db> crashes, error source 1, or > just not happy on mips) If you get random gcc crashes you most likely have bad memory. > This is a shame as I simply needed to access various webmail sites > (https and spa) - if this isn't possible on the z50 I will relucantly > have to go down a standard laptop route probably with windows - oh well > - least I tried ;-) Would a text browser work? I think both links and lynx have https support. A MIPS opera would be nice (and not too horrendously large), but unfortunately they seem to only support i386, sparc, and powerpc. I don't know if any other commercial browsers are available for MIPS platforms that might be used under emulation. There are a few java based browsers available. I don't know if a good java runtime or a java compiler could be made to work, but if so then this might be a good possibility. I don't know if any support https, but I would imagine some do. One I came accross (but have not tried yet) is multivalent (at sourceforge), however it does not seem to have https support. As a somewhat extreme possibility it might work to run a commercial microbrowser under emulation if none are available for MIPS, however I don't know if there are any particularly good such browsers or if they would perform reasonably. Matthew Orgass darkstar@xxxxxxxxxxxx

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RE: Z50 browser?

> > > This is a shame as I simply needed to access various webmail sites > > (https and spa) - if this isn't possible on the z50 I will > relucantly > > have to go down a standard laptop route probably with windows - oh > > well > > - least I tried ;-) > > Would a text browser work? I think both links and lynx have https > support. A MIPS opera would be nice (and not too > horrendously large), > but unfortunately they seem to only support i386, sparc, and > powerpc. I don't know if any other commercial browsers are > available for MIPS platforms that might be used under > emulation. There are a few java based browsers available. I > don't know if a good java runtime or a java compiler could be > made to work, but if so then this might be a good > possibility. I don't know if any support https, but I would > imagine some do. One I came accross (but have not tried yet) > is multivalent (at sourceforge), however it does not seem to > have https support. As a somewhat extreme possibility it > might work to run a commercial microbrowser under emulation > if none are available for MIPS, however I don't know if there > are any particularly good such browsers or if they would > perform reasonably. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much of anything available. The reason I installed netbsd on my MobilePro was due to the lack of a browser on the CE platform that would: 1) support https (with a patch, CE will support 128bit) 2) support the ability to "fool" a website by replying as a different browser (can't be done with older versions of CE). You can't access many secure (webmail, etc.) web sites without at least IE 4 or better - even though they don't need many of the features provided. They simply are keeping out "low-end" browsers. 3) while javascript and java in general would be nice - they aren't a specific requirement (probably too slow on that platoform anyway). So, I find the same basic situation with Linux/netbsd. Nothing is available that will support both item #1 and item #2. While a text browser might work in limited circumstances, I'd prefer a graphical browser and simply turn the images off when I don't want them. Java browsers exist, but none provide support for https. A commercial version of HotJava browser from Sun did, but it was only available for a short time, and can no longer be purchased/downloaded. And they are slower than Dillo. Virtually anything that appears to have promise, turns out to be an abandoned project, abandoned at least 3-4 years ago. While I could probably get one fired up with some of those features - I simply don't have time to add a bunch of code. And while most features of the browser aren't that bad, forms and tables are the real tough areas. The only project I've currently seen that seems to hold a bit of promise is Dillo. As soon as they add https support, and the ability to modify the return string - we might have something. Unless Opera support can be had. Speaking of Opera - that brings up an interesting question - why is it still listed in the pkgsrc listing (as if you could compile it) when you can't get the source to compile? I tried :o)