Re: HTML WG charter review, tracking feedback

Hi Dan,

The principal difficulty with your recommended
approach is that it assumes the charter documents should be modified based
solely on the out-of-band feedback being produced so far, not all of which
necessarily has consensus of the W3C members who are using the review process
as their means of communicating feedback.

I believe it would be better to consider
all of the feedback together before concluding that significant changes
to the charter are required.
For one thing, some of the feedback
posted so far could also appear in the review feedback classified as "Accept
with minor revisions" in which case it may not be that the changes
are "significant" in the sense of requiring another formal review.

Also, it might be reasonable to estimate
the stretch goals after last call in quarters and years rather than months,
whereas eliminating those stages from the charters entirely leads to the
false impression that the working group is not required to take the work
through to proposed rec.

Regarding the rather lengthy milestone
periods being suggested in some recent feedback, I would interpret those
as just a general uneasiness about everyone's ability to compromise.  But
if we can put personal vested interests on the side and focus on innovating
in ways that achieve the essential requirement that all of us have, which
is to make life better for content authors and processor implementers,
then it should indeed be possible to produce *something* useful by 2009.
 Basically, we have to be more optimistic because development by a
community works all the time, and it can work for the W3C too.

As an example, I would encourage everyone
to pay close attention to the demonstration Dave Raggett will give at the
W3C AC meeting, which highlights what can be done by taking the best of
Web Forms 2.0 and the XForms architecture together-- working on today's
browsers (IE, Mozilla, Opera and Safari).  It really is a portent
of the significant positive results that could be achieved in quite short
order through consideration of multiple viewpoints, which is fortunate
because I believe this cooperation is exactly what is called for in the
currently proposed charter documents for the HTML and Forms working groups.

Best regards,
John M. Boyer, Ph.D.
STSM: Workplace Forms Architect and Researcher
Co-Chair, W3C Forms Working Group
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Victoria Software Lab
E-Mail: boyerj@xxxxxxxxxx  http://www.ibm.com/software/

Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer

Dan Connolly <connolly@xxxxxx>
Sent by: w3c-html-cg-request@xxxxxx

11/22/2006 10:28 AM

To	Dean Jackson <dino@xxxxxx>
cc	Chris Lilley <chris@xxxxxx>, Steve Bratt <steve@xxxxxx>, "L. David Baron" <dbaron@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ian Hickson <ian@xxxxxxxx>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@xxxxxxxxx>, Hypertext CG <w3c-html-cg@xxxxxx>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@xxxxxx>, www-archive@xxxxxx
Subject	Re: HTML WG charter review, tracking feedback

On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 02:59 +1100, Dean Jackson wrote:
> Hi Chris, Steve,
> 
> Maciej, Ian and David have given useful feedback on the HTML WG  
> charter. What is the process by which this feedback is considered?
> 
> Does it have to wait until it is submitted by the AC review?
> 
> If some of the feedback is accepted then it might be a significant
 
> change to the charter. Does this mean an extra round of AC review
is  
> required?
> 
> Or, if everyone "here" agrees, is it possible to change
the charter  
> currently under review?

Good questions.

I advise that you
  - leave the charter under review stable during the review

  - maintain another draft where you integrate feedback as
    you see it. Share this other draft with whoever you see fit.

In particular, give a pointer to it when you reply
to Maciej, Ian and David. Oh... they're all copied here, I see.
And www-archive is copied. Hello, fishbowl! Whee!

Perhaps the charter under review should be tweaked just slightly,
to note the presence of the other draft with a link.


> [I'm not sure who is included in "here" - the people that
have  
> replied so far? the entire list of people cc-ed?]
> 
> Dean
> 
-- 
Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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