Re: VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#

I always comment the logic for each at the end of the statement (either 
End If or }). This helps a lot.

Brian Russell wrote:

>You misunderstood what I meant.  Debugging deeply nested if statements is a
>pain in ANY language.  If you are nesting more than 2 or 3 if statements,
>and they span more than one screen, you are doing something wrong in my
>opinion.
>
>Brian  
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Pinard [mailto:ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:36 PM
>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>I couldn't disagree more with the if .. End if 
>
>It is less difficult to debug nested constructs that have Else, End If,
>Next, End While, End Sub, End function than 
>  }, }, }, }, }, } 
>
>Maybe you can't tell one End If from another End IF. But it the braces have
>no inkling as to where they belong. 
>
>I can see why someone who uses Java would like C#.  But Java was based on C.
>
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>I know that different teams of developers provide different functionality.
>That is what the MS guys said when we talked to them. If .Net is so powerful
>as to providing interactions between the programming environments, why can't
>MS do it? 
>
>MS is responding to two different audiences, they have said so. The question
>is why is a more difficult to write language considered good? Just because
>it has the legacy of coming from the 1970's? Why create this type of issue?
>There is no reason at all, unless people are afraid that their particular
>language will fall from favor.
>
>Sorry about this all, but it has been a bad day. This has always been one of
>my sticking points though. I have used C in the past. I never liked how long
>it took to get it to compile. I always missed a cap someplace. I just want
>to design and test. Let the compiler take care of the niceties of
>formatting. Twenty years ago C and FORTRAN were the fastest compilers around
>(smallest also). But, with computer speed increases, memory leaps and
>bounds, not to mention hard drive extravagations, other languages can be
>compiled into efficient code on an average computer.
>
>There are two reasons that a lot of people prefer C (C#, Java, JavaScript,
>etc) that are very prevalent: 1) They already know it and don't want to take
>the time to get used to a different language, 2) The programming industry
>has been dominated by the C industry for the last 20 years. The later reason
>I can fully understand for wanting to use C products. But, with the .Net
>multiple language capabilities, why can't we all develop together? Why can't
>MS provide the same tools in the same Ide for all languages? Especially when
>they are language independent (XML Documentation works fine in my VB Code,
>even in my VBA code).
>
>My problem isn't with C# developers at all, it is with the way MS forces
>them to be different. 
>
>Ken Pinard
>Lost and trying to recover a bad week outside of the computer.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Russell [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:54 PM
>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>Agreed, I wouldn?t be as useful today if I didn?t know both.  I think that
>is one of the strengths that I have in that I can work with VB.Net or C#
>whenever I am required to.  C# is my language of choice though.
>
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>I will disagree on the If ? End If though.  I think that if you have that
>many nested if statements that will cause you problems reading your code,
>you have coded something wrong.
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>
>Brian
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>From: Justin Collum [mailto:justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:04 PM
>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>My 2 cents here: know how to use both, since it's a pretty split world out
>there. Just drop the dogma and become language-agnostic.
>
>But my personal preference for ASP.NET is C# because of the Java
>similarities. Makes it easier to switch gears if you need to. I see good
>points to both languages, but I think the good points of VB can be adapted
>to C# and it's not so easy to do the reverse. I specifically like the If...
>End If notation; makes it easier to figure things out when there's a lot
>going on. But you can pull it off with C# with code snippets.
>
>-- Justin
>
>brian@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>>I will throw my 2 cents in as well.
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>>-operator overloading
>>-unsafe code
>>-xml comments
>>-most documentation is for C# (in my opinion, not a proven fact) -more 
>>like Java syntax (helps when you have to pick it up and use it on a new 
>>project) -no line continuation characters (I hate that) -cool semi 
>>colons and curly braces!
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>>I have some other highly opinionated comments that I will reserve for 
>>Liz if she wants them off this list.  There is no way I will start a 
>>flame war with those...lol.
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>>Brian
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>>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:16:20 -0800 (PST)
>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>>All the same pCode, but is there any reason for selecting VB or C# when 
>>starting a new project?<BR> I thought there was some auto documenting 
>>feature in C# that is not in VB.<BR> <BR> Started this new job in Sept.  
>>Manager wants it in VB.Net.  Tried to tell him reasons for going<BR> 
>>C#, but didn't push it.  Now the other developer of 4 yrs here wants to 
>>push C#, and we are<BR> supposed to come up with a justification.<BR> 
>><BR> SCENARIO<BR> Manager knows a bit of VB.  Manager + third guy are 
>>old COBOL programmers.<BR> Mike and I are to write the bulk of the 
>>code, and all the code for the first year.<BR> <BR> Any ideas for 
>>justifying going C# or VB.Net?<BR> <BR> Thanks in Advance,<BR> <BR> 
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