Re: VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#

cool, I'll be sure to start using it.
However, support for || would have been nice.
Thanks.
darth

Tom Feliz wrote:

>What you're looking for is what is known as short-circuiting and is fully 
>supported by the .NET Framework.
>
>Check out OrElse and AndAlso in VB.NET.
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>-Tom
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>At 10:03 PM 1/20/2005 -0800, you wrote:
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>>Doesn't help with VB.
>>Unless there is a way to use || in VB that I am unaware of?
>>
>>Darth
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>>Ronald L. Ratzlaff wrote:
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>>>According to the MS doc, it's not supposed to do that if you use the
>>>conditional-OR operator (||).
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>>>"The conditional-OR operator (||) performs a logical-OR of its bool
>>>operands, but only evaluates its second operand if necessary."
>>>
>>><http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csref/h 
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>>tml/>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csref/html/
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>>>vclrfororoperator.asp
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>>>Ron
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>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Justin Collum [mailto:justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:26 PM
>>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think that's true. Seems like I've stepped thru code and....
>>>
>>>Wait, just tested it and you're right. Huh? Why on earth would it do
>>>that? That short circuit evaluation is pretty basic logic isn't it?
>>>
>>>-- Justin
>>>
>>>darthsmily wrote:
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>>>>Speaking of if statements, does anyone know why .net evalutes both half
>>>>of an 'or' statement?
>>>>
>>>>in some languages, the right side of an OR statement will get evaluated
>>>>first, and if it is true, it goes into the statement. IF flase, it will
>>>>evaluate the left half.
>>>>.net seems to evaluate both sides then decide go into the
>>>>statment.(assuming at least one side is true).
>>>>
>>>>Darthsmily
>>>>
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>>>>Brian Russell wrote:
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>>>>>You misunderstood what I meant.  Debugging deeply nested if statements is
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>>>a
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>>>>>pain in ANY language.  If you are nesting more than 2 or 3 if statements,
>>>>>and they span more than one screen, you are doing something wrong in my
>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Ken Pinard [mailto:ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:36 PM
>>>>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: RE: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I couldn't disagree more with the if .. End if
>>>>>
>>>>>It is less difficult to debug nested constructs that have Else, End If,
>>>>>Next, End While, End Sub, End function than
>>>>>}, }, }, }, }, }
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe you can't tell one End If from another End IF. But it the braces
>>>>>
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>>>have
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>>>>>no inkling as to where they belong.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can see why someone who uses Java would like C#.  But Java was based on
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>>>C.
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>>>>>I know that different teams of developers provide different functionality.
>>>>>That is what the MS guys said when we talked to them. If .Net is so
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>>>powerful
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>>>>>as to providing interactions between the programming environments, why
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>>>can't
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>>>>>MS do it?
>>>>>
>>>>>MS is responding to two different audiences, they have said so. The
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>>>question
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>>>>>is why is a more difficult to write language considered good? Just because
>>>>>it has the legacy of coming from the 1970's? Why create this type of
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>>>issue?
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>>>>>There is no reason at all, unless people are afraid that their particular
>>>>>language will fall from favor.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry about this all, but it has been a bad day. This has always been one
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>>>of
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>>>>>my sticking points though. I have used C in the past. I never liked how
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>>>long
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>>>>>it took to get it to compile. I always missed a cap someplace. I just want
>>>>>to design and test. Let the compiler take care of the niceties of
>>>>>formatting. Twenty years ago C and FORTRAN were the fastest compilers
>>>>>
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>>>around
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>>>>>(smallest also). But, with computer speed increases, memory leaps and
>>>>>bounds, not to mention hard drive extravagations, other languages can be
>>>>>compiled into efficient code on an average computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are two reasons that a lot of people prefer C (C#, Java, JavaScript,
>>>>>etc) that are very prevalent: 1) They already know it and don't want to
>>>>>
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>>>take
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>>>>>the time to get used to a different language, 2) The programming industry
>>>>>has been dominated by the C industry for the last 20 years. The later
>>>>>
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>>>reason
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>>>>>I can fully understand for wanting to use C products. But, with the .Net
>>>>>multiple language capabilities, why can't we all develop together? Why
>>>>>
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>>>can't
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>>>>>MS provide the same tools in the same Ide for all languages? Especially
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>>>when
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>>>>>they are language independent (XML Documentation works fine in my VB Code,
>>>>>even in my VBA code).
>>>>>
>>>>>My problem isn't with C# developers at all, it is with the way MS forces
>>>>>them to be different.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken Pinard
>>>>>Lost and trying to recover a bad week outside of the computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Brian Russell [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:54 PM
>>>>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: RE: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed, I wouldn't be as useful today if I didn't know both.  I think that
>>>>>is one of the strengths that I have in that I can work with VB.Net or C#
>>>>>whenever I am required to.  C# is my language of choice though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>I will disagree on the If . End If though.  I think that if you have that
>>>>>many nested if statements that will cause you problems reading your code,
>>>>>you have coded something wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_____
>>>>>
>>>>>From: Justin Collum [mailto:justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:04 PM
>>>>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Re: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>>>>>My 2 cents here: know how to use both, since it's a pretty split world out
>>>>>there. Just drop the dogma and become language-agnostic.
>>>>>
>>>>>But my personal preference for ASP.NET is C# because of the Java
>>>>>similarities. Makes it easier to switch gears if you need to. I see good
>>>>>points to both languages, but I think the good points of VB can be adapted
>>>>>to C# and it's not so easy to do the reverse. I specifically like the
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>>>If...
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>>>>>End If notation; makes it easier to figure things out when there's a lot
>>>>>going on. But you can pull it off with C# with code snippets.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- Justin
>>>>>
>>>>>brian@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>>>>>>I will throw my 2 cents in as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-operator overloading
>>>>>>-unsafe code
>>>>>>-xml comments
>>>>>>-most documentation is for C# (in my opinion, not a proven fact) -more
>>>>>>like Java syntax (helps when you have to pick it up and use it on a new
>>>>>>project) -no line continuation characters (I hate that) -cool semi
>>>>>>colons and curly braces!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have some other highly opinionated comments that I will reserve for
>>>>>>Liz if she wants them off this list.  There is no way I will start a
>>>>>>flame war with those...lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Original Message:
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>>>>>>From: Liz Gee lizgeee@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:16:20 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>To: padnug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [padnug] VB vs C# is there a auto documenting feature in C#
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>>>>>>All the same pCode, but is there any reason for selecting VB or C# when
>>>>>>starting a new project?<BR> I thought there was some auto documenting
>>>>>>feature in C# that is not in VB.<BR> <BR> Started this new job in Sept.
>>>>>>Manager wants it in VB.Net.  Tried to tell him reasons for going<BR>
>>>>>>C#, but didn't push it.  Now the other developer of 4 yrs here wants to
>>>>>>push C#, and we are<BR> supposed to come up with a justification.<BR>
>>>>>><BR> SCENARIO<BR> Manager knows a bit of VB.  Manager + third guy are
>>>>>>old COBOL programmers.<BR> Mike and I are to write the bulk of the
>>>>>>code, and all the code for the first year.<BR> <BR> Any ideas for
>>>>>>justifying going C# or VB.Net?<BR> <BR> Thanks in Advance,<BR> <BR>
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