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On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 14:51 -0400, John Sullivan wrote:
> To be clear, they updated their EULA in response to this. See
> <http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4872069549.html>. But the device still ships
> with proprietary components, and is less free than the OpenMoko.

I didn't realise that; thanks - for the longest time, the version of
Qtopia it shipped with wasn't free software either (Qtopia 4 has only
been available under the GPL quite recently AIUI).

Moko also has the advantage of being designed for actual end-users, not
just people who want a prototype to develop phone software on. FSFE
could do a lot worse than dropping those guys a line to see if they
could get their hands on some hacker's lunchboxes - from what I've seen
of the project (I intend to buy one when P1 ships), they are truly
worthy of support.

Cheers,

Alex.



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Matt Lee wrote: > Ouch. Come on guys, what are you playing at? Actually, this is news to all of us. Quite obviously, we don't want to support nor advocate non-free software. Specifically for the N800, it was always our intent that the recipient should be a technically knowledgable person with a wish to help liberate the device by erasing the proprietary software from it, and showing others how to. I think the page that is linked from the mail would explain this, had the URL actually worked. :-) So we'll look into this, and if there's no way to liberate the hardware before sending it out, we might well have to withdraw those prizes from the raffle to avoid sending non-free software to anyone. -- Jonas Öberg Free Software Foundation Europe ( Join the Fellowship ) Tel. +46-31-780 21 61 Mob. +46-733 423 962 ( http://fsfe.org )

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John Sullivan <johns-dGWS0fDw8IM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > But the device still ships > with proprietary components For the PDA we raffled last year, we took delivery of it and removed the proprietary software before sending it to the winner. -- Ciarán O'Riordan __________________ \ http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3 http://ciaran.compsoc.com/ _________ \ GPLv3 and other work supported by http://fsfe.org/fellows/ciaran/weblog \ Fellowship: http://www.fsfe.org

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Alex Hudson <home-tAc6DklvUjjSUeElwK9/Pw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 14:56 +0000, Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: >> * 1 Free Software Greenphone from Trolltech > > ``[T]he phone's license reads in part, "...This device may only be used > with Trolltech's Qtopia Software. You may not use this device in any > other hardware/software combination other than in the combination of > hardware and software that was delivered to you..."'' > > -- http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9220906852.html To be clear, they updated their EULA in response to this. See <http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4872069549.html>. But the device still ships with proprietary components, and is less free than the OpenMoko. (I'm not wild about giving away nonfree technical documentation books either. Or are the 30 German books licensed freely?) -- John Sullivan Program Administrator | Phone: (617)542-5942 x23 51 Franklin Street, 5th Fl. | Fax: (617)542-2652 Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA | GPG: AE8600B6

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John Sullivan <johns-dGWS0fDw8IM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > But the device still ships > with proprietary components For the PDA we raffled last year, we took delivery of it and removed the proprietary software before sending it to the winner. -- Ciarán O'Riordan __________________ \ http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3 http://ciaran.compsoc.com/ _________ \ GPLv3 and other work supported by http://fsfe.org/fellows/ciaran/weblog \ Fellowship: http://www.fsfe.org
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