|
osdir.com mailing list archive |
|
Subject: Software guitar-midi. Was: GI-20 info - msg#00391List: music.equipment.midi-guitarGeneral consensus seems to be that the software pitch-midi progs aren't up to scratch. This is possibly because they aren't optimized for guitar. But the hardware we all use is software run and I don't see why it could not be ported to a computer. You could even make it DX/VST compatible with the ability to load your fave softsynths and effects. A few different input filter alogarithms to make it compatible with a wide range of input sources (piezo, hex pickup, bass, almost anything someone wants to put a divided pickup on, or even the Starr guitars), and as demand for different instruments occurs, you release new filter alogarithms - instead of requiring a complete upgrade. For outboard synths you provide instrument definitions, eliminating all the hassles of making your convertor speak to different synths correctly. Make it with a modular path so you can stack as many softsynths as your computer can handle, keeping it as simple or complex as you want. What's to stop you from "modelling" various guitarsynth structures, so you can have the functionality of an Axon, or even your favourite old Roland GM-70 or GR-505, all with the tracking of the modern guitarsynths? Not necessarily the best thing to gig with, but for studio use... heaven. And if it's successful you do a rackmount version. Anyway, I'll drop this now, before I cook my brain, 'cos the more I think about it, the more ideas I get... Alan At 01:37 PM 03/06/30, you wrote: >If you really want to play around with this idea - all the tools >required are available. You just have to put then together :-) > >Getting the signal into a computer is easy enough - Hex pickup on the >guitar feeding a six channel audiocard in the computer (likely you >would need some sort of additional gain between the two). > >There are several monophonic pitch to midi softwares out there - you >just need six instances running on the computer. > >Personally, I think it sounds a bit of a nightmare and I'd opt for a >hardware solution as a first preference every time :-) ------------------------------------ Alan Ratcliffe Cape Town, South Africa ------------------------------------ Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: Re: The weirdest thing. After reinstallingWindowsand Soundiver...Tim, Thanks for the detailed comparison. I perceived the P2K as being a 'world/dance music' module, and you've confirmed this. I'm still stuck in the 70s so my requirements are more to prog rock. I should probably be looking at the EMU keyboard modules instead of the P2K. Their B3 module samples sounds real nice. I'm also considering Roland's newer XV series that have USB capability. Armand drtimllewellyn wrote: > --- In midiguitar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "LEE, ARMAND" <armand.lee@xxxx> > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > You mentioned below that you use the Proteus 2000 '(used to be > JV2080)'. > > Any general comments between the 2 modules. I think I'm going to > drop > > the softsynths until I can upgrade my laptop. Maybe I can forego > the > > upgrade by going directly via midi to a hardware synth instead and > just > > use my laptop for editing and audio via the USB Audiophile. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > No problem, > > The p2k is 1U form factor rather than 2U for the 2080, which was a > factor for me in keeping the live rack under control. > > p2k has 128 polyphony, 32 multitimbral, twice the 2080 (although XV > 5080 is there). I use one MIDI in for live MIDI guitar and the other > for the backing. Not many backings require more than 16 MIDI channels. > > Keeps things simple. Separate outs mean that for live use its easy to > split off the bass and drums to separate mixing channels. For studio > use, the p2k has SPDIF out (but no worldclock in :-)). > > p2k has 512 user patch slots, re 128 (256 with card) on 2080. > > EMU filters are much better than the Roland. > > p2 weak points are FX implementation and non-standard drum-maps. > Also for MIDI guitar, the 2080 responds to pitch bend select from my > MIDI guitar converter, wheras I have yet to find out how to make the > p2k do this. Minor annoyance having to copy patches to user memory > and tweak the pitch bend range for MIDI guitar. > > 2080 has large screen and MIDI monitor facilities which are useful > debugging problems. > > Planet Earth ROM is much better that Roland World board for me > (especially hand drums). > > The sounds are quite complimentary, with the Roland ones being very in > > yer face, epsecially when playing patches alone. However, the p2k > sounds do sit very well in mixes IMHO > and the 2080 sat for about 2 years in my studio only performing GM > module duties until I removed it recently. > > 2080 is no longer available. The XV5050 looks quite attractive for > MIDI guitar, but only 64 poly. I havn't used an XV series. XV5080 > allows sample loading, but is still proced as a flagship model. > P2k (or even p1k if you can skimp on polyphony) are cheap new and > cheaper used. > > I found the MIDI response using the picking posotion features on the > Yamaha G50 to be acceptable with both modules. > > there you go, I think I've covered the important points. > > regards > > > > > > Armand > > > > drtimllewellyn wrote: > > > > > Other than that, the best advice I can give is to describe brifly > > > the configuration that works for me. I have Yamaha G50, Proteus > 2000 > > > synth (used to be JV2080) and Emagic Unitor 8 (plenty of MIDI ins > and > > > outs, a GOOD THING for MIDI guitar IMHO). > > > > > > F > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --to unsubscribe send a blank message to > midiguitar-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Regards, Armand Lee, BSA Bell IS/IT phone: 416-215-3198 email: armand.lee@xxxxxxx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: Software guitar-midi. Was: GI-20 infoHi Alan On 30/06/03 you wrote; AR> General consensus seems to be that the software pitch-midi progs AR> aren't up to scratch. This is possibly because they aren't AR> optimized for guitar. There are so many of these about and I haven't tried any of them with any seriousness yet. Here's three for starters which are suppose to represent the current state of the art; http://www.akoff.com/music-composer.html http://tallstick.com/ (In Russian, but there is an English page) http://www.digital-ear.com/digital-ear/info.htm (much admired, I'm told) I have to say I'm always wary of any claims to sort out polyphonic input, but monophonic should be no problem. AR> But the hardware we all use is software run and I don't see why it AR> could not be ported to a computer. Yes - everything seems to run on software these days. However, there is a world of difference between a dedicated 'hardware' device and one which is intended to run on a computer, since the latter will almost certainly be being asked to undertake other tasks at the same time. AR> Not necessarily the best thing to gig with, but for studio use... AR> heaven. And if it's successful you do a rackmount version. I abandoned pitch to midi guitar a long time ago as being unworkable within a studio environment. Recently, I bought Ztar - the difference is like chalk and cheese (although I wouldn't consider this instrument a 'guitar'). AR> Anyway, I'll drop this now, before I cook my brain, 'cos the more AR> I think about it, the more ideas I get... I know what you mean :-) Graeme Jaye graemejaye@xxxxxxxxx Audio Restoration and CD Repair http://www.personal-cd.com Hobby Musician - find some of my stuff here http://www.mp3.com/graemejaye Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: Re: GI-20 infoHi Alan On 30/06/03 you wrote; AR> It's about time someone produced good hexaphonic sound to midi AR> software - software developers seem to have few problems making AR> things that are as complex or simple as you like. If you really want to play around with this idea - all the tools required are available. You just have to put then together :-) Getting the signal into a computer is easy enough - Hex pickup on the guitar feeding a six channel audiocard in the computer (likely you would need some sort of additional gain between the two). There are several monophonic pitch to midi softwares out there - you just need six instances running on the computer. Personally, I think it sounds a bit of a nightmare and I'd opt for a hardware solution as a first preference every time :-) Graeme Jaye graemejaye@xxxxxxxxx Audio Restoration and CD Repair http://www.personal-cd.com Hobby Musician - find some of my stuff here http://www.mp3.com/graemejaye Next Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: Software guitar-midi. Was: GI-20 infoHi Alan On 30/06/03 you wrote; AR> General consensus seems to be that the software pitch-midi progs AR> aren't up to scratch. This is possibly because they aren't AR> optimized for guitar. There are so many of these about and I haven't tried any of them with any seriousness yet. Here's three for starters which are suppose to represent the current state of the art; http://www.akoff.com/music-composer.html http://tallstick.com/ (In Russian, but there is an English page) http://www.digital-ear.com/digital-ear/info.htm (much admired, I'm told) I have to say I'm always wary of any claims to sort out polyphonic input, but monophonic should be no problem. AR> But the hardware we all use is software run and I don't see why it AR> could not be ported to a computer. Yes - everything seems to run on software these days. However, there is a world of difference between a dedicated 'hardware' device and one which is intended to run on a computer, since the latter will almost certainly be being asked to undertake other tasks at the same time. AR> Not necessarily the best thing to gig with, but for studio use... AR> heaven. And if it's successful you do a rackmount version. I abandoned pitch to midi guitar a long time ago as being unworkable within a studio environment. Recently, I bought Ztar - the difference is like chalk and cheese (although I wouldn't consider this instrument a 'guitar'). AR> Anyway, I'll drop this now, before I cook my brain, 'cos the more AR> I think about it, the more ideas I get... I know what you mean :-) Graeme Jaye graemejaye@xxxxxxxxx Audio Restoration and CD Repair http://www.personal-cd.com Hobby Musician - find some of my stuff here http://www.mp3.com/graemejaye Loading Comments...
|
|
