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1000$ in cables? hmm, thats a lot of money in cables...1/4 inch cables isnt a problem as i already have them for guitar. these midi cables dont seem to cost too much, 10$ for a basic 5 pin or so i think, and as far as i know thats all i need. i dont need that expensive 24 pin to go from the roland to the gm70, ive got one. and i think the rest is run by 5 pin, hopefully not the new 13 pin cuz thats are still rather expensive(not quite like a 24 pin). with the roland people say to try and avoid it because its old and hangin on the last line...if its that important to go for one of those, i might be able to spend 600$ MAX on a roland 5050, it seems to be good and can go as low as 600 or so on ebay. id prefer to keep it cheaper than that as not too long from now i plan on setting up with a digital audio hardware thing like digi001. --- In midiguitar@xxxx, "Jesse Worley" <jesse@xxxx> wrote: > MIDI can be a complicated process when you first get into it, but > becomes a lot easier with time. Any synth you get is going to be > compatible with pretty much anything else you get, so long as it adheres > to two rules: Has MIDI and has 1/4" jacks. > > The Proteus is a good unit, but I'd suggest a Roland unit to start with. > The JV-1080 is a great baseline synth, and its big brother the JV- 2080 > is even better. Both offer plenty of expansion, come with a lot of > sounds to get you started, and are unbelievably easy to work with in > most MIDI applications. If you want to spend a little more I'm seriously > considering selling my XP-30 as well =) > > Regardless of what unit you get make sure you budget a little for > cables. I spent my entire $4500 budget on gear in one week, only to find > that I needed over $1000 in cables shortly afterwards. Not a good > position to be in. You're going to need a few (3-4) MIDI cables and a > couple of 1/4" cables as well. > > Stay away from samplers until you've got your hands into synths. You'll > be thankful that you did in the end. > > Once you've decided on the synth you want throw out a list of the gear > you have, including your computer soundcard, and I'm sure someone here > will assist in getting it rigged up and working in whatever application > you decide to use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: superman859 [mailto:superman859@xxxx] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:46 PM > To: midiguitar@xxxx > Subject: [midiguitar] final synth picking... > > im looking for a synth to get, preferably a rack unit so i can get a > usb controller and use that, instead of one unit. I have a guitar > controller and midi converter, but no sounds or anything...here is > what i ultimately want to do: > > -record midi and edit it using a computer software > > -have the hardware unit for the sounds, not software sounds > > -record a piece of music consisting of different instruments and parts > (i believe this is the stuff about multi timberal and > polyphony/voices) > > -change the velocity curve somehow to make using the guitar > controller for guitar sounds sound more real-like and not keyboard > like > > -have good string, drums, and guitar sounds, piano also if possible, > which i now know i should check out myself to see if I like them... :) > > -work in conjunction with digital audio(i think most of these could > do this, just a matter of setting it up right and playing the midi > back and recording digital audio with it) > > -specifically will be used for studio home recording, nothing live > has to be involved, playing live i tend to stick to your straight out > electric guitar, drums, and bass...so its ease of use playing live is > nothing I care about > > -keep the price under 500$ max, used or new, cuz i still have to buy > the keyboard controller(midiman 61 key) > > what unit would you people recommend? the proteus 2000 is something > recommended earlier and then the jv1010, and now a jv2020 or > something like that, and then someone mentioned samplers...i know > that i would need a midi interface or sequencer or who knows what to > connect it to my computer. all i have in relationship to midi is a > gr505 controller and gm-70 midi converter for it. can these units > mentioned do the things i am planning on doing with it, such as multi > timberal, etc? someone on another forum had brought up samplers when > i was talking about proteus and jv1010 because they do the multi > timberal stuff...so that made me wonder > > > > --to unsubscribe send a blank message to > midiguitar-unsubscribe@xxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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I know you said you don't want to use software synths but there are some really good ones out now and they are much more versatile than a hardware synth. For example, if you are only using it in a studio environment then they are ideal. I have a GR-33 and most of the sounds are useable, but the real fun starts when i mix its sounds with my library of soundfonts (mainly free off the internet). There are some awesome orchestral soundfonts out there that are far better than any synth module i have heard. I use Sonar XL for recording and Livesynth Pro to load soundfonts. Its as simple as pluging the midi output from GR into my soundcard and then selecting a sound to trigger. Plus you can add all the effects you want and then simply mix it down to audio, whereas with a module you need to mix down in realtime which is a pain. If you are looking into getting a high end soundcard then i can recommend the Echo line of products. I have a Layla 20 and its run flawlessly for over 2 years now. It has great drivers and the sound quality is awesome. The Digi001 is good to but not as versatile as you are locked into using pro tools and RTAS plugins. They are great tools but Digidesign are very slow to develop new drivers and not as reliable as DX or VST. Getting into the digtal realm can be a bit scary but it is getting better every day and the possibilities are endless. Anyway you should look into it. Regards Geoff

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1000$ in cables? hmm, thats a lot of money in cables...1/4 inch cables isnt a problem as i already have them for guitar. these midi cables dont seem to cost too much, 10$ for a basic 5 pin or so i think, and as far as i know thats all i need. i dont need that expensive 24 pin to go from the roland to the gm70, ive got one. and i think the rest is run by 5 pin, hopefully not the new 13 pin cuz thats are still rather expensive(not quite like a 24 pin). with the roland people say to try and avoid it because its old and hangin on the last line...if its that important to go for one of those, i might be able to spend 600$ MAX on a roland 5050, it seems to be good and can go as low as 600 or so on ebay. id prefer to keep it cheaper than that as not too long from now i plan on setting up with a digital audio hardware thing like digi001. --- In midiguitar@xxxx, "Jesse Worley" <jesse@xxxx> wrote: > MIDI can be a complicated process when you first get into it, but > becomes a lot easier with time. Any synth you get is going to be > compatible with pretty much anything else you get, so long as it adheres > to two rules: Has MIDI and has 1/4" jacks. > > The Proteus is a good unit, but I'd suggest a Roland unit to start with. > The JV-1080 is a great baseline synth, and its big brother the JV- 2080 > is even better. Both offer plenty of expansion, come with a lot of > sounds to get you started, and are unbelievably easy to work with in > most MIDI applications. If you want to spend a little more I'm seriously > considering selling my XP-30 as well =) > > Regardless of what unit you get make sure you budget a little for > cables. I spent my entire $4500 budget on gear in one week, only to find > that I needed over $1000 in cables shortly afterwards. Not a good > position to be in. You're going to need a few (3-4) MIDI cables and a > couple of 1/4" cables as well. > > Stay away from samplers until you've got your hands into synths. You'll > be thankful that you did in the end. > > Once you've decided on the synth you want throw out a list of the gear > you have, including your computer soundcard, and I'm sure someone here > will assist in getting it rigged up and working in whatever application > you decide to use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: superman859 [mailto:superman859@xxxx] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:46 PM > To: midiguitar@xxxx > Subject: [midiguitar] final synth picking... > > im looking for a synth to get, preferably a rack unit so i can get a > usb controller and use that, instead of one unit. I have a guitar > controller and midi converter, but no sounds or anything...here is > what i ultimately want to do: > > -record midi and edit it using a computer software > > -have the hardware unit for the sounds, not software sounds > > -record a piece of music consisting of different instruments and parts > (i believe this is the stuff about multi timberal and > polyphony/voices) > > -change the velocity curve somehow to make using the guitar > controller for guitar sounds sound more real-like and not keyboard > like > > -have good string, drums, and guitar sounds, piano also if possible, > which i now know i should check out myself to see if I like them... :) > > -work in conjunction with digital audio(i think most of these could > do this, just a matter of setting it up right and playing the midi > back and recording digital audio with it) > > -specifically will be used for studio home recording, nothing live > has to be involved, playing live i tend to stick to your straight out > electric guitar, drums, and bass...so its ease of use playing live is > nothing I care about > > -keep the price under 500$ max, used or new, cuz i still have to buy > the keyboard controller(midiman 61 key) > > what unit would you people recommend? the proteus 2000 is something > recommended earlier and then the jv1010, and now a jv2020 or > something like that, and then someone mentioned samplers...i know > that i would need a midi interface or sequencer or who knows what to > connect it to my computer. all i have in relationship to midi is a > gr505 controller and gm-70 midi converter for it. can these units > mentioned do the things i am planning on doing with it, such as multi > timberal, etc? someone on another forum had brought up samplers when > i was talking about proteus and jv1010 because they do the multi > timberal stuff...so that made me wonder > > > > --to unsubscribe send a blank message to > midiguitar-unsubscribe@xxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Re: final synth picking...

I know you said you don't want to use software synths but there are some really good ones out now and they are much more versatile than a hardware synth. For example, if you are only using it in a studio environment then they are ideal. I have a GR-33 and most of the sounds are useable, but the real fun starts when i mix its sounds with my library of soundfonts (mainly free off the internet). There are some awesome orchestral soundfonts out there that are far better than any synth module i have heard. I use Sonar XL for recording and Livesynth Pro to load soundfonts. Its as simple as pluging the midi output from GR into my soundcard and then selecting a sound to trigger. Plus you can add all the effects you want and then simply mix it down to audio, whereas with a module you need to mix down in realtime which is a pain. If you are looking into getting a high end soundcard then i can recommend the Echo line of products. I have a Layla 20 and its run flawlessly for over 2 years now. It has great drivers and the sound quality is awesome. The Digi001 is good to but not as versatile as you are locked into using pro tools and RTAS plugins. They are great tools but Digidesign are very slow to develop new drivers and not as reliable as DX or VST. Getting into the digtal realm can be a bit scary but it is getting better every day and the possibilities are endless. Anyway you should look into it. Regards Geoff