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Subject: Re: should IETF elevate 'news' URI to RFC? - msg#00018List: mozilla.accessibilitysub-thread pointing to mozilla.dev.platform] Al Gilman wrote: > > There is a current draft of the specification for the 'news' and 'nntp' URI > schemes available as an Internet-Draft at > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri-08 > > I have been asked to lend a voice saying that the Web needs this > scheme and IETF should act to give it RFC status. Since my fingerprints > are on this draft, I have an ego incentive to see the document elevated. > Better I should have some facts and not just ego to base my advocacy on. > > This scheme allows content that arises in a newsgroup and referenced > from a web page to be read as news rather than forcing the user to go > through a Web interface to the newsgroup. > > As best I can figure out, for someone using a screen reader, the > integration with the installed news-reader is significantly more usable > than going through a web browser and a web gateway to the newsgroup. > > Is that still true? > > This group allows access by Mail, by News, and by HTTP. Are there people > who actually use news/nntp to participate in this group? Are there people > with disabilities who use that protocol because it is their best option? Independent of the accessibility concerns you've voiced, I think keeping news: URIs on the standards track has another concrete benefit for users of the web. It provides a standards-based way to hand them off to web-based handlers using the custom protocol handlers that WhatWG is in the process of specifying <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#custom-handlers>. Dan Thread at a glance:
Previous Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: Microsoft's Open XML to DAISY project (BSD licensed)Here is some more information about this project, which also involves the DAISY Consortium. http://www.daisy.org/news/index.shtml#newsitem339 Susan Aaron Leventhal <aaronleventhal@m oonset.net> To Sent by: dev-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx dev-accessibility cc -bounces@xxxxxxxx zilla.org Subject Microsoft's Open XML to DAISY project (BSD licensed) 11/15/2007 10:28 AM Microsoft blogged about it here: http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archive/2007/11/13/open-xml-to-daisy-xml-translator.aspx Project is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openxml-daisy - Aaron _______________________________________________ dev-accessibility mailing list dev-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-accessibility Next Message by Date: click to view message previewRe: should IETF elevate 'news' URI to RFC?On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 11:09:06AM -0500, Al Gilman wrote: > As best I can figure out, for someone using a screen reader, the > integration with the installed news-reader is significantly more usable > than going through a web browser and a web gateway to the newsgroup. > > Is that still true? yes. The advantage here is that the user interface is largely separated from the service which is being provided, namely the newsgroups. This has a number of advantages: 1. A single, familiar user interface, provided by the user's news reader (which may also serve as her/his mail reader depending on features) is available to all NNTP services. This user interface can be chosen (by the user or the user's technical support person) to match the user's access needs, skill level, etc., and to work well with any assistive technology that may be involved. 2. As a result, only one user interface need be learned; this is better than learning and having to deal with the potential limitations of multiple Web gateways provided by different sites, e.g., Mozilla, Gmane, and others. 3. Features such as threading and article scoring are available. These are especially useful with a screen reader or other assistive technology, owing to the linear nature of braille or speech output, which makes scanning an entire list for articles of interest an inherently slow process. Threaded displays provide hierarchical navigation that substantially improve this process. 4. NNTP can be a good complement to a web interface. I don't like Web fora: each forum provider tends to have its own user interface which has to be learned individually. These user interfaces often lack the valuable features mentioned above of news readers, and may have other accessibility difficulties. In general, offering NNTP would be a valuable addition to any HTML (or XHTML/CSS/Ecmascript-style) user interface that may be provided. It may be of interest to note that I plan to give a conference presentation at Ozewai 2007 (http://www.ozewai.org/) on this very subject, citing NNTP as a primary example, but also discussing the advantages of XMPP and other standard protocols as means of making Web services more accessible. I read this group as a mailing list. However, I frequently use nntp://news.gmane.org/ (see also http://www.gmane.org/) and I wish there were more services like it as an alternative to the ubiquitous "Web fora", which usually do a very poor job of reinventing what NNTP newsgroups provided years ago. Previous Message by Thread: click to view message previewRe: should IETF elevate 'news' URI to RFC?On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 11:09:06AM -0500, Al Gilman wrote: > As best I can figure out, for someone using a screen reader, the > integration with the installed news-reader is significantly more usable > than going through a web browser and a web gateway to the newsgroup. > > Is that still true? yes. The advantage here is that the user interface is largely separated from the service which is being provided, namely the newsgroups. This has a number of advantages: 1. A single, familiar user interface, provided by the user's news reader (which may also serve as her/his mail reader depending on features) is available to all NNTP services. This user interface can be chosen (by the user or the user's technical support person) to match the user's access needs, skill level, etc., and to work well with any assistive technology that may be involved. 2. As a result, only one user interface need be learned; this is better than learning and having to deal with the potential limitations of multiple Web gateways provided by different sites, e.g., Mozilla, Gmane, and others. 3. Features such as threading and article scoring are available. These are especially useful with a screen reader or other assistive technology, owing to the linear nature of braille or speech output, which makes scanning an entire list for articles of interest an inherently slow process. Threaded displays provide hierarchical navigation that substantially improve this process. 4. NNTP can be a good complement to a web interface. I don't like Web fora: each forum provider tends to have its own user interface which has to be learned individually. These user interfaces often lack the valuable features mentioned above of news readers, and may have other accessibility difficulties. In general, offering NNTP would be a valuable addition to any HTML (or XHTML/CSS/Ecmascript-style) user interface that may be provided. It may be of interest to note that I plan to give a conference presentation at Ozewai 2007 (http://www.ozewai.org/) on this very subject, citing NNTP as a primary example, but also discussing the advantages of XMPP and other standard protocols as means of making Web services more accessible. I read this group as a mailing list. However, I frequently use nntp://news.gmane.org/ (see also http://www.gmane.org/) and I wish there were more services like it as an alternative to the ubiquitous "Web fora", which usually do a very poor job of reinventing what NNTP newsgroups provided years ago. Next Message by Thread: click to view message previewGet A Top 5 Google Ranking In Under 30 DaysGet A Top 5 Google Ranking In Under 30 Days http://seoplacement.100webspace.net/seo/seo-optimization/best_seo_software.html Loading Comments...
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