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Misconceptions: msg#00203mail.spam.razor.user
In several recent threads, I've noticed what seem to be some misconceptions about Razor (or I've got some misconceptions about razor). I'll try to list and correct a few here, but if I miss important ones (or get them wrong!) please add. My point here is not to make anyone feel stupid. Rather, if we're going to have a reasonable discussion, we need to figure out what basic facts we agree on and which ones we really differ over. 1. Razor is doing x (where x has recently been posited as censoring, but could be and has been other things) In my mind, Razor doesn't do anything. Razor is the name given to a logical system whereby an arbitrary number of people can submit to and query from a database. This database holds hashes identifying fuzzy versions of specific emails that are submitted by someone as meeting that someone's definition of spam. In addition, there is a trust system that maintains data about submitters and how their submissions compare to other submitters submissions. (When I use the term submit, I mean either report or revoke) I hate to compare the two, but guns don't kill people, people kill people. 2. Razor says x is spam (where x is the body of some email) Note first that x above is not some source of email such as the domains EFF or whitehouse.gov or makemoneyfast.com or IP address or an email address. x is only the body of some email. While someone with a spamtrap may effectively report all email from a given source as meeting his definition of spam, there is an important difference. More to the point, Razor itself has no definition of spam. Only submitters and queriers have definitions of spam. Submitters' definitions are reflected in what the report and revoke. Queriers' definitions are reflected in their minimum confidence level (or in the case of SA users, the point value they apply to razor). 3. If x is listed in Razor, then at least one person thinks it is spam (again, where x is an email body) While Razor is designed such that a report (as opposed to a revocation) represents someone thinking it is spam, there is no necessary limitation on the actual thinking of the submitter (or for that matter the existence of a submitter capable of having thoughts at all). x may be listed in Razor for a whole variety of reasons having nothing to do with the perceived "spamminess" of x. All the above is also true for the process of revocation. The point here being that while Razor was designed as a tool to create a collaborative database of spam, there's nothing stopping others from misusing it or using the tool to do something else entirely 4. x is in the Razor database because of reason y (where x is the body of an email and y is any reason other than someone or something submitted it). As someone else pointed out, and point 3 gets at (but bears repeating), there is no way of knowing the motive (or reason) a given submitter sent x to the Razor database (or again, that the submitter is even capable of motivation). As there is no way of obtaining an anonymous person's motive, the only way to know is if the person tells you, and even then, since it is anonymous you have no way to know that the person offering their motive is the person who even submitted in the first place. Anyone else positing a reason other than "because it was submitted" is just guessing. This includes you. That's all that comes to mind this instant (though I know there are others). -- Public key #7BBC68D9 at | Shane Williams http://pgp.mit.edu/ | System Admin - UT iSchool =----------------------------------+------------------------------- All syllogisms contain three lines | shanew@xxxxxxxxxx Therefore this is not a syllogism | www.ischool.utexas.edu/~shanew ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf |
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